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12 gauge sabot slug vs IIIA body armor
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Remington 3" magnum Barnes solid copper non expanding .50 caliber 1oz sabot slug @1650fps.

Test gun: Savage 18" side by side coach gun

Test vest: 1993 Safariland IIIA 25 layers with ballistically rated blunt force/stab panels.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmxC6sFQ6mE[/youtube]

Ouch.

Inspection:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afxc5sgrbAE[/youtube]

Recovered slug:

[youtube]HGoY0wRicFA[/youtube]

Result: Slug easily stopped by vest in just 15 layers, but blunt force trauma was so severe that serious injury or death was a very likely result.

Conclusion: Buy these slugs if you want to kill anything alive.
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As a IIIA owner, that was eye-opening! Confused
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#3
I think the low brass "tactical" type slugs would be very survivable, but magnum slugs would probably kill a person from the blunt force trauma alone unless their vest has some tremendously effective blunt force padding, and even then, as the video shows...ouch.

I suspect sabot slugs would be more effective as a blunt force jackhammer since all the energy is delivered in a .5" diameter vs the .76" diameter of conventional slugs.

After i did this test i switched my home defense load in my coach gun to the expanding solid copper Remington/Barnes 3" magnum sabot .50 cal, 1oz. slug. Same ballistics and construction as the slug i tested, but based on the look of the hollowpoint, it should expand well beyond 1".

I still want to test some of the 300gr/2000fps style .50caliber sabot slugs as well.
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#4
That (according to your description) is a 20 year old vest. Modern vests are designed to prevent that deep blunt force trauma.
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Valorius;2202 Wrote:I think the low brass "tactical" type slugs would be very survivable, but magnum slugs would probably kill a person from the blunt force trauma alone unless their vest has some tremendously effective blunt force padding, and even then, as the video shows...ouch.

I suspect sabot slugs would be more effective as a blunt force jackhammer since all the energy is delivered in a .5" diameter vs the .76" diameter of conventional slugs.

After i did this test i switched my home defense load in my coach gun to the expanding solid copper Remington/Barnes 3" magnum sabot .50 cal, 1oz. slug. Same ballistics and construction as the slug i tested, but based on the look of the hollowpoint, it should expand well beyond 1".

I still want to test some of the 300gr/2000fps style .50caliber sabot slugs as well.

That will leave a bit of a mark...

Warpt762x39;10088 Wrote:That (according to your description) is a 20 year old vest. Modern vests are designed to prevent that deep blunt force trauma.

While modern vests are designed to stop more rounds, blunt force is still blunt force. I wouldn't want to trust new technology to stop all of the blunt force trauma - especially without hard plates. While a new vest might stop the blunt force trauma, I still wouldn't want to put it to the test.
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#6
What if I have a lot of padding under my vest already? lol


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rmagill;10121 Wrote:
Valorius;2202 Wrote:I think the low brass "tactical" type slugs would be very survivable, but magnum slugs would probably kill a person from the blunt force trauma alone unless their vest has some tremendously effective blunt force padding, and even then, as the video shows...ouch.

I suspect sabot slugs would be more effective as a blunt force jackhammer since all the energy is delivered in a .5" diameter vs the .76" diameter of conventional slugs.

After i did this test i switched my home defense load in my coach gun to the expanding solid copper Remington/Barnes 3" magnum sabot .50 cal, 1oz. slug. Same ballistics and construction as the slug i tested, but based on the look of the hollowpoint, it should expand well beyond 1".

I still want to test some of the 300gr/2000fps style .50caliber sabot slugs as well.

That will leave a bit of a mark...

Warpt762x39;10088 Wrote:That (according to your description) is a 20 year old vest. Modern vests are designed to prevent that deep blunt force trauma.

While modern vests are designed to stop more rounds, blunt force is still blunt force. I wouldn't want to trust new technology to stop all of the blunt force trauma - especially without hard plates. While a new vest might stop the blunt force trauma, I still wouldn't want to put it to the test.

The guy who started Second Chance body armor put his vests to the test constantly. He showed people they worked by shooting himself with a .44 Magnum while wearing one.

But new vests are designed different than ones made 20 years ago. They do decrease the blunt force trauma but slowing the bullet down in less time. It dissipates the energy over a larger area. Haven't you ever seen them do the tests with the clay blocks? New vests work better by design. Not to mention because they're not 20 years old.
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Warpt762x39;10088 Wrote:That (according to your description) is a 20 year old vest. Modern vests are designed to prevent that deep blunt force trauma.
There have been extensive studies done by the US Military. Apparently anything delivering approx 2200fpe of energy or more is capable of causing severe blunt force trauma injury, even in the presence of hard plate armor. Keep in mind, at 2200fpe we are talking about approx 40% more striking power than a typical .44 magnum loading, which is around 1300fpe of energy. This sabot slug was up closer to 3000fpe of energy.

Modern vests might help to mitigate the damage from the hit, but getting hit with the round i tested in this video is the same as getting hit by a car. Internal injuries would be all but guaranteed, IMO, based on everything i've read.

TGS over at PAFOA posted some interesting info on the subject, i'll have to find it and repost it over here.

PS: Any vest can be augmented to improve blunt force protection by simply wearing additional padding or layers of clothing under the vest. Obviously.

Also, vests do not lose nearly as much protection value as you'd think over time. If you look at all the tests i did (in the do you own body armor thread), my 19yo vest was able to stop 5.7x28mm Protector I at 2000fps, and a Doubletap 9mm+P 80gr solid copper hp from a 16" carbine at about 2000fps.

That is actually performance more than i'd expect from a IIIA, even a brand new IIIA.

Consider that even though this vest was shot literally dozens of times with numerous major caliber weapons, -only- 28gr OTM 5.7mm @ 2100+ fps and up, and a single type of hard cast 9mm+P+ round were able to penetrate (Oh, and 5.56mm, but that's WAY outside the capabilities of any IIIA vest).
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