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12-year-old girl killed in eviction confrontation between father, constable
#21
I agree.


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#22
goofin;171635 Wrote:Knowing Clarke the way I do, id say he was just trying to debilitate the man rather than kill him. this shooting has shaken him very hard and i wouldnt be surprised if he hangs up being a constable. as for his abilities to handle a weapon, i wouldnt want to draw on him.

I don't understand why the father wasn't charged with her death. He's culpable, for causing a situation through a criminal act, that resulted in someone's death. He should be charged with murder, for fucks sake.

I feel terribly for the constable. The media is selling this like this was an execution, and the public is condemning the poor guy. After I read the article, I don't see why else he was supposed to do. He had an AR pointed at his chest, was he supposed to just walk away? Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope the constable gets some kind of counseling, or at least has a good support system to get through this. If I killed a little girl accidentally....I don't know if I could handle it.
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jahwarrior72;171644 Wrote:
goofin;171635 Wrote:Knowing Clarke the way I do, id say he was just trying to debilitate the man rather than kill him. this shooting has shaken him very hard and i wouldnt be surprised if he hangs up being a constable. as for his abilities to handle a weapon, i wouldnt want to draw on him.

I don't understand why the father wasn't charged with her death. He's culpable, for causing a situation through a criminal act, that resulted in someone's death. He should be charged with murder, for fucks sake.

I feel terribly for the constable. The media is selling this like this was an execution, and the public is condemning the poor guy. After I read the article, I don't see why else he was supposed to do. He had an AR pointed at his chest, was he supposed to just walk away? Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope the constable gets some kind of counseling, or at least has a good support system to get through this. If I killed a little girl accidentally....I don't know if I could handle it.
and this is why we're in the trouble we're in as Americans.. the father didn't shoot the girl, you're looking to charge someone for somebody elses actions.. it's a sad state for sure, but the dad didn't pull the trigger..

That dad and that constable will live with that fact.will jail time correct anything?
With the Second Amendment saying what it says, Why isn't the Federal Government Suing NY
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51158;171646 Wrote:
jahwarrior72;171644 Wrote:I don't understand why the father wasn't charged with her death. He's culpable, for causing a situation through a criminal act, that resulted in someone's death. He should be charged with murder, for fucks sake.

I feel terribly for the constable. The media is selling this like this was an execution, and the public is condemning the poor guy. After I read the article, I don't see why else he was supposed to do. He had an AR pointed at his chest, was he supposed to just walk away? Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope the constable gets some kind of counseling, or at least has a good support system to get through this. If I killed a little girl accidentally....I don't know if I could handle it.
and this is why we're in the trouble we're in as Americans.. the father didn't shoot the girl, you're looking to charge someone for somebody elses actions.. it's a sad state for sure, but the dad didn't pull the trigger..

That dad and that constable will live with that fact.will jail time correct anything?

The father's criminal actions directly lead to his daughter's death. I don't know if PA has the statute on the books or not, but many other states do. When a death is the result of your criminal actions, you can be charged with murder even if you didn't directly kill the person.

There was a case many years ago where 3 guys tried to rob a shop, the owner shot and killed one of the guys. The other two were charged with he murder of the third.
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#25
I think losing his daughter was punishment enough for his part in her death, unless he is a bigger loser than he seems.

He should be charged for whatever he did wrong though, resisting his eviction and threatening a constable, etc. it doesn't even say why he was being evicted, which would be interesting. He should also be fined for all the ruin he brought on the life of the constable. (Emotional and career damage).

Why is this receiving negative press? I guess we aren't hearing much about it out east. Is it racial?
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RugerGirl;171649 Wrote:I think losing his daughter was punishment enough for his part in her death, unless he is a bigger loser than he seems.

He should be charged for whatever he did wrong though, resisting his eviction and threatening a constable, etc. it doesn't even say why he was being evicted, which would be interesting. He should also be fined for all the ruin he brought on the life of the constable. (Emotional and career damage).

Why is this receiving negative press? I guess we aren't hearing much about it out east. Is it racial?

He was being evicted for $1600 in past due rent. He knew it was coming, he was informed that was his last day there.
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#27
where does it end?

A car thief steals a car, crashes into another car killing the occupant. do you blame the owner of the car?

I know it's an exaggeration but do you see what I mean?

Sometime men have to deal with consequences on their own..The problem is in todays society "justice will be served in the end" doesn't mean what it use to
With the Second Amendment saying what it says, Why isn't the Federal Government Suing NY
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51158;171651 Wrote:where does it end?

A car thief steals a car, crashes into another car killing the occupant. do you blame the owner of the car?

I know it's an exaggeration but do you see what I mean?

Sometime men have to deal with consequences on their own..The problem is in todays society "justice will be served in the end" doesn't mean what it use to

That's not the same. The owner of the car wasn't committing a criminal act. The person not committing the criminal act is the one not guilty. The person committing the criminal act that directly or indirectly gets someone killed is guilty. In your story, it's the thief. In the news story, it's the dad.

If I am running away from a rapist and in the process I knock over an old lady and she hits her head and dies, I am innocent of killing her. The rapist, however, could be charged. If I knock her over while fleeing from a robbery I committed and she dies, then I'm a murderer.
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51158;171651 Wrote:where does it end?

A car thief steals a car, crashes into another car killing the occupant. do you blame the owner of the car?

I know it's an exaggeration but do you see what I mean?

Sometime men have to deal with consequences on their own..The problem is in todays society "justice will be served in the end" doesn't mean what it use to

The deadbeat dad's actions directly contributed to his daughters death.
That's it, period.

You can see it another way, but if you do you must have some sort of previous bad experience with law enforcement or a political slant to think so.

$1600 in back rent, and probably about 6 months of squatting in the apartment before the Constable showed up at the door.

Deadbeat points an AR at an armed officer of the court which is stupid in itself and then he goes ahead an does it with his daughter in the apartment?
Yeah, sorry, the father needs charged, there was a death that occurred in direct relation to his criminal activity.

One more thing, the deadbeat was behind $1600 but had an AR?

When my wife walked out on me and my kids I sold almost $10,000 in guns, ammo and silver to pay a lawyer to gain custody.
That was more than 3 years ago.
This past July while the girls were with their mother for their summer visitation she and her shiny new old man of a husband decided to pack up my daughters and their 4 year old son in a car with bald tires and head to a wedding reception where he and she got drunk.
She allowed him to drive and on the way home they hit a tree head on.
Both of my daughters are still seeing doctors and therapists.

The husband was charged with his 4th DUI and was off the chart when he did his blood test, charged with the highest DUI.

She was not charged for some reason, even though she allowed him to drive and my one daughter was not in a booster seat.

I sold another $3000 worth of guns and motorcycle parts to pay my lawyer so I could go to court and have her remaining visitation rights stripped.
She now gets supervised visitation in my home one day a week.

The point is, I sold guns and personal property because my children come first in my life, this deadbeat had an AR15 and I'll bet he had other items he could have sold to prevent eviction.
He is a dirtbag and his daughters death is on him.
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