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#11
I've heard about this shit all day on so many news outlets yet not one has asked the only questions that needs to be asked;

Why the fuck was this kid at the playground without his parents completely unsupervised so that he could get into a situation like this? If the parents were there they would have shut him down the moment the patrol car pulled up.

Why was there no adult to put a stop to this rather than call the police?

More and more often when regular citizens involve the police in these sorts of things that could be resolved by common sense it can only end in tragedy.
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Emoticon;157302 Wrote:I've heard about this shit all day on so many news outlets yet not one has asked the only questions that needs to be asked;

Why the fuck was this kid at the playground without his parents completely unsupervised so that he could get into a situation like this? If the parents were there they would have shut him down the moment the patrol car pulled up.

Why was there no adult to put a stop to this rather than call the police?

More and more often when regular citizens involve the police in these sorts of things that could be resolved by common sense it can only end in tragedy.

At some point you have to give kids freedom like going to the playground by themselves unsupervised. You can't always be overprotective and sticking to your kids like glue.

At 12 years old (and younger) I was going out and playing with my friends, (stickball, hockey, basketball, fishing, playground, just talking etc….). I would let my mom know where I was going, but we did not have constant adult supervision. I've found it disturbing that over the last decade or two that some people feel the need to constantly supervise and organize every moment of their children's life. It sometimes seems that the days of kids going out and doing things on their own are gone, and if it ever does get to that point it will be shame. imo You want to know why some people are so accepting of a Nanny State, it's because they've been nannied their entire life starting with their parents.
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Internet troll;157320 Wrote:
Emoticon;157302 Wrote:I've heard about this shit all day on so many news outlets yet not one has asked the only questions that needs to be asked;

Why the fuck was this kid at the playground without his parents completely unsupervised so that he could get into a situation like this? If the parents were there they would have shut him down the moment the patrol car pulled up.

Why was there no adult to put a stop to this rather than call the police?

More and more often when regular citizens involve the police in these sorts of things that could be resolved by common sense it can only end in tragedy.

At some point you have to give kids freedom like going to the playground by themselves unsupervised. You can't always be overprotective and sticking to your kids like glue.

At 12 years old (and younger) I was going out and playing with my friends, (stickball, hockey, basketball, fishing, playground, just talking etc….). I would let my mom know where I was going, but we did not have constant adult supervision. I've found it disturbing that over the last decade or two that some people feel the need to constantly supervise and organize every moment of their children's life. It sometimes seems that the days of kids going out and doing things on their own are gone, and if it ever does get to that point it will be shame. imo You want to know why some people are so accepting of a Nanny State, it's because they've been nannied their entire life starting with their parents.

Unless you are very rural that world doesn't exist anymore. Leaving your kids at the playground all day without supervision is a great way to get CPS called on you. This happened in Cleveland whist is a pretty urban big city I certainly would not let my kid act autonomously in an environment like that. Its a different animal if you've got 10 acres and a creek running through your back yard.
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I have a 12 year old who would never act like that at a playground. If you have to supervise your 12 year old in public, then you have already failed....and you need to do some intensive salvaging.

The other night I asked my 12 year old, "if a cop told you to put your hands up, what would you do?" He said "Put my hands up. I'm not stupid."

Of course he wouldn't do something that would warrant that!
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Emoticon;157322 Wrote:Unless you are very rural that world doesn't exist anymore. Leaving your kids at the playground all day without supervision is a great way to get CPS called on you. This happened in Cleveland whist is a pretty urban big city I certainly would not let my kid act autonomously in an environment like that. Its a different animal if you've got 10 acres and a creek running through your back yard.

I agree with this. Part of the reason why you could leave your kids there was because the other people in the neighborhood knew the kids, and the kids knew to listen to them or else Mom & Dad would take care of them because "Mr Jones" would let Mom & Dad know you were being a disrespectful little snot.

Today, people don't even know the names of the people who live next door.

Not to mention the urban/suburban sprawl and the emboldened sex offenders...if you live in a congested area the risk of your child being harmed or taken increases based upon the higher population count and the easier ability to 'disappear' in a crowd.

Still, there IS a difference between 'nannying' a child and looking after them.
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At 12, I was riding my bike to the grocery and hardware stores by myself across a very busy road. I was going to the local Turkey Hill, riding to local fishing holes and many other places. I agree with Rugergirl. If your 12yr old needs adult supervision at that point, you've failed as a parent.
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streaker69;157332 Wrote:At 12, I was riding my bike to the grocery and hardware stores by myself across a very busy road. I was going to the local Turkey Hill, riding to local fishing holes and many other places. I agree with Rugergirl. If your 12yr old needs adult supervision at that point, you've failed as a parent.

So was I. But society in 1984 was nowhere near like it is in 2014.
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Camper;157334 Wrote:
streaker69;157332 Wrote:At 12, I was riding my bike to the grocery and hardware stores by myself across a very busy road. I was going to the local Turkey Hill, riding to local fishing holes and many other places. I agree with Rugergirl. If your 12yr old needs adult supervision at that point, you've failed as a parent.

So was I. But society in 1984 was nowhere near like it is in 2014.

Well yeah, where we live, my kids can't ride their bikes to fishing holes either, unfortunately (and sadly). But that doesn't mean that my kids are gonna go to the local playground and taunt all the other kids with a realistic looking airsoft gun.

Also, in response to "where was an adult"....If an adult would have done the "right thing" and taken the gun away from the kid....we are probably talking some sort of lawsuit or racist accusations or fight. These days, may as well just call the cops.... adults have been beaten up simply for giving a verbal correction to another person.
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Camper;157334 Wrote:
streaker69;157332 Wrote:At 12, I was riding my bike to the grocery and hardware stores by myself across a very busy road. I was going to the local Turkey Hill, riding to local fishing holes and many other places. I agree with Rugergirl. If your 12yr old needs adult supervision at that point, you've failed as a parent.

So was I. But society in 1984 was nowhere near like it is in 2014.

I guess we've regressed instead of progressed.
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streaker69;157337 Wrote:
Camper;157334 Wrote:So was I. But society in 1984 was nowhere near like it is in 2014.

I guess we've regressed instead of progressed.

In a great many ways, yes.
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