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$15 fast food civil disobedience
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/e...siness_pop

Quote:NEW YORK — McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants are expected to be targeted with acts of civil disobedience that could lead to arrests Thursday as labor organizers escalate their campaign to unionize the industry’s workers.

Kendall Fells, an organizing director for Fast Food Forward, said in an interview that workers in a couple of dozen cities were trained to peacefully engage in civil disobedience ahead of this week’s planned protests.

Fells declined to say what exactly is in store for the protests in around 150 U.S. cities. But workers involved in the movement recently cited sit-ins as an example of strategies they could use to intensify their push for higher pay and unionization. Past protests have targeted a couple of restaurants in each city.

The “Fight for $15” campaign is being backed by the Service Employees International Union and has gained national attention at a time when growing income disparities have become a hot political issue.

President Obama and others have said raising wages for those at the bottom of the economic ladder could help strengthen the middle class.

The statement in bold makes NO. SENSE. AT. ALL. Seriously, so raising burger flippers to the same wage as legal and medical secretaries is supposed to help the middle class....how?????

Gosh, people are worse than stupid these days. Flipping burgers is a STOP OVER and a LEARNING job, not a way of life to raise kids. Duh.

Incredible.
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Some would suggest that if minimum wage is raised that the rates of those that get more than minimum would also increase. These increases would be a short term reprieve, because the people who pay the wages would need to increase income to cover the wage increase. This would drive product prices up, and so on until everything readjust and everyone is right back where they started.
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Normanvin;153050 Wrote:Some would suggest that if minimum wage is raised that the rates of those that get more than minimum would also increase. These increases would be a short term reprieve, because the people who pay the wages would need to increase income to cover the wage increase. This would drive product prices up, and so on until everything readjust and everyone is right back where they started.

Exactly.....a double paycheck might look good, until you realize you're paying double to buy everything.
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RugerGirl;153051 Wrote:
Normanvin;153050 Wrote:Some would suggest that if minimum wage is raised that the rates of those that get more than minimum would also increase. These increases would be a short term reprieve, because the people who pay the wages would need to increase income to cover the wage increase. This would drive product prices up, and so on until everything readjust and everyone is right back where they started.

Exactly.....a double paycheck might look good, until you realize you're paying double to buy everything.

Sounds good if you don't think about it. Hey I just got a huge raise. I am now making twice what I was.
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It would cause a LOT of job loss, too, and overwork of remaining employees. It would be cheaper to start paying current employees overtime than to have two seperate employees.
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Double the wage... fast food joints double prices, people forced to buy food at the grocery store and make it at home. Fast food joints start closing, laying off, and taking huge and fatal market losses. The troubled economy slips into a true depression.

These idiots are the same kind of slack jawed morons that supported Prohibition... which made everything worse and had the complete opposite effect. In my opinion, people who view jiggling a fry basket as a career should be avoided and ignored at all cost when it comes to talk of economics or politics.
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RugerGirl;153047 Wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/e...siness_pop

Quote:NEW YORK — McDonald’s, Wendy’s and other fast-food restaurants are expected to be targeted with acts of civil disobedience that could lead to arrests Thursday as labor organizers escalate their campaign to unionize the industry’s workers.

Kendall Fells, an organizing director for Fast Food Forward, said in an interview that workers in a couple of dozen cities were trained to peacefully engage in civil disobedience ahead of this week’s planned protests.

Fells declined to say what exactly is in store for the protests in around 150 U.S. cities. But workers involved in the movement recently cited sit-ins as an example of strategies they could use to intensify their push for higher pay and unionization. Past protests have targeted a couple of restaurants in each city.

The “Fight for $15” campaign is being backed by the Service Employees International Union and has gained national attention at a time when growing income disparities have become a hot political issue.

President Obama and others have said raising wages for those at the bottom of the economic ladder could help strengthen the middle class.

The statement in bold makes NO. SENSE. AT. ALL. Seriously, so raising burger flippers to the same wage as legal and medical secretaries is supposed to help the middle class....how?????

Gosh, people are worse than stupid these days. Flipping burgers is a STOP OVER and a LEARNING job, not a way of life to raise kids. Duh.

Incredible.

If you think legal and medical secretaries in Manhattan are making just $15.00 / hour (no benefits), think again.

It never ceases to amaze me how folks who are one hell of a lot closer to a "burger flipper" as far as what they get paid for their labor than they are to the Wall Street magnates who employ them consistently argue to keep the working poor in poverty.

The Wall Street Magnates make (not earn) tens or hundreds of millions per year, and they and their corporations pay a fraction of the percentage of said income in taxes, compared to a member of the middle class.

Look at what the stock market has done since the correction that heralded the last recession. Does that reflect that Burger King and McDonalds, et. al. are hurting?

On the other hand, the taxes on the middle class go for things like food stamps and subsidized housing and health care for the "burger flippers" and Walmart employees who aren't paid enough to put food on the table and a basic roof over their head and to avoid becoming sick and dying.

And yet we see bitching and moaning about how "those people won't work," yet when they do, those same individuals argue that they ought not to be paid a living wage in the place where they work!

The fact is that, adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is much less of a "living" (about 25% less) than it was in 1980.

Every time we talk about the minimum wage, the corporate world uses its might to gin up predictions of doom and gloom. Of course they do; it's going to cut into their ridiculous and unsustainable (if they're to do justice to their workers) profits!

But what baffles me is that the middle class swallows Rupert Murdoch's brand of self-interested Kool-Aid and parrots it back in places like this.
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Quote:President Obama and others have said raising wages for those at the bottom of the economic ladder could help strengthen the middle class.

Can we just call this for exactly what it is? Trickle Up Economics?
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It's kind of a shame. These fast food workers are being played and they don't even realize it. Two things are apparent to me.

1) The whole movement is being pushed by union organizers who have a vested monetary interest in raising the minimum wage and getting these workers under contract. The benefit would be twofold for them in that union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. As it increases so does the union rate. It's a raise without the bother of contract negotiations. Secondly the union bigwigs would benefit from a nice windfall of dues paying members. Since all the states this is being pushed in are not "right to work" every employee of every business effected would have to pay up. It would be interesting to see what the actual net effect to a workers paycheck would work out to be after subtracting their dues.

2) Any fast food location doing a marginal business would disappear very quickly since they will become money losers almost immediately. The ones that are actually netting a good profit will cut staff. Now that there are fewer positions and a higher pay the competition for those jobs would increase. Anyone not on top of their game or who sucks at customer service will find themselves out on the street.

Those are the realities in play here. I don't think these folks have thought this through.
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Plus it is well known they are working on becoming more automated....doubling their wage will usher in the automated fast food really fast, losing jobs.

Fast food really isn't supposed to be living wage, unless you are so good at it you move into management, in which case it should support a small family in a basic way. Otherwise it is really meant to be a teen or young single adult first job or supplementary job.
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