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$15 fast food civil disobedience
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Emptymag;153219 Wrote:OK, well I don't have an issue with profit - even "obscene" profit.
if a business is that wealthy they are doing something right and there shouldn't be a limit or punishment for making money.

Agreed. But if you can still remain wildly or even reasonably profitable without paying wages that that are below the poverty line, but still starve your employees, there's an issue there.

For example, Costco pays its employees well, as opposed to Walmart or Sam's club, who don't. Costco is doing quite well, and has a very low employee turnover, which in turn helps its bottom line even more.

Emptymag;153219 Wrote:I dunno how it works for forming unions where there isn't one, but when I worked in the parking dept at the hospital a bunch of guys started talking of forming a union. They were mostly the lazy pricks or guys who had no hope of moving forward financially.
The management was eventually let go - I assume for not squashing the "uprising".

Maybe the management was let go because they deserved to be.

Under US law, workers have a right to unionize, and certain rights to organize even on company property (though not on company time). Companies don't have a right to "squash an uprising," though they often do their best to interfere, and rather routinely violate the law by retaliating against organizers.

Most often, an existing union will try to organize the workers. In the fast-food workers case, I seem to recall it's the SEIU. They have experienced and professional organizers who know what to do, and how to defend employees. It's also harder to retaliate against these "outside agitators," as employers like to call them.

You get to a certain level of support via signatures, and you have the right to have a vote of the workers--- union or no union. Actually what that is is whether the union has the authority to negotiate a collective bargaining agreement (i.e., contract) on behalf of the workers. They are, in effect, hiring an "agent." If the vote goes the union's way, the employer must, under the law, recognize that the union speaks for their workers, and negotiate with them. The CBA frequently requires that all non-management workers hired, whether they "join" the union or not, have union dues collected from their pay and remitted to the union. Otherwise, you have people getting the benefit of the higher wages, but not paying for same. Some unions also handle benefits such as health insurance for their members

Emptymag;153219 Wrote:Don't look to me for support.

Why not? Got a 40-hour work week? Overtime pay? Paid vacation? A safe work-place? Thank a union, whether or not you're presently unionized. Industry in America didn't voluntarily do all that, nor did the government. Maybe you don't need a union any more. "These people" do.

Emptymag;153219 Wrote:I don't make much, but there's a reason I don't work in fast food. There's no money. Duh.

And precious little in the way of actual food, as well.
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fuck the unions and anyone who is dumb enough to support them. anyone thinking that the minimum wage should be 15 bucks a hour and supports that notion is a idiot.
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Dave;153206 Wrote:As an employer I am absolutely against .gov mandated minimal wage laws but it’s here and not going away so you may as well complain about getting wet in the rain. And as an employer its pure BS that $ 10.xx (or whatever the adjusted for inflation number is) would cost massive job loss. Maybe $ 15 would be an issue for a few of the very smallest businesses but they could also tie $ 15 to certain sized companies.


The thing is though, sure, maybe McDonalds can afford $15/hr....but then all the current $15/hr jobs are going to have to go up, too. How offensive is that that a teenager could make more money than a skilled worker because a political bill was passed?! So other jobs are going to have to raise wages, too. This would cause a huge domino effect and massive inflation.
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RugerGirl;153228 Wrote:The thing is though, sure, maybe McDonalds can afford $15/hr....but then all the current $15/hr jobs are going to have to go up, too. How offensive is that that a teenager could make more money than a skilled worker because a political bill was passed?! So other jobs are going to have to raise wages, too. This would cause a huge domino effect and massive inflation.

You can't argue this with people who's highest aspiration is to serve fake food wrapped in paper or the shills who seek to profit from their misery.
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