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2 Upper Darby cops reinstated after assault accusation
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UPPER DARBY TWP., Pa. - November 12, 2013 (WPVI) -- Two Upper Darby police officers, who were terminated following accusations of assault, will be reinstated.

An arbitration panel has ruled that officers Michael Givens, 39, and Ryan Wisely, 32, can return to work on Wednesday.

Both are being reinstated without back pay.

The pair were terminated for "violating township procedures" back in July following the alleged assault of a juvenile.

The incident reportedly happened in the cell block area in June and was caught on video, though that video has not been released.

The incident in question apparently happened after three juveniles had been arrested for shoplifting.

A source told Action News back in late June that one of the juveniles was assaulted while handcuffed.

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Apparently the DA's office isn't very quick at investigating if it already went to arbitration and the award was issued.

What procedural rules were broken... I hate half stories.
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steelcityk9cop;125226 Wrote:Apparently the DA's office isn't very quick at investigating if it already went to arbitration and the award was issued.

What procedural rules were broken... I hate half stories.

Exactly. I feel like a county detective can complete a very thorough investigation into this within a month. Chitwood has video of the incident but refuses to release it to the public/media because it involves juveniles. I bet the investigator at the DA's office finished his/her investigation, and the DA or ADA is sitting on it because of "the politics" involved in this type of case.
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Philadelphia Patriot;125228 Wrote:
steelcityk9cop;125226 Wrote:Apparently the DA's office isn't very quick at investigating if it already went to arbitration and the award was issued.

What procedural rules were broken... I hate half stories.

Exactly. I feel like a county detective can complete a very thorough investigation into this within a month. Chitwood has video of the incident but refuses to release it to the public/media because it involves juveniles. I bet the investigator at the DA's office finished his/her investigation, and the DA or ADA is sitting on it because of "the politics" involved in this type of case.

Oh yea... for something like this you can do a VERY thorough investigation in a month. The DA’s office obviously would have access to the video and to the juveniles. The officers would not have to cooperate with the DA’s office and I’m sure their attorneys advised them not to.

Administratively however, the officers have to comply with whatever the department makes them do…statements, reports. But if the officers invoke their Garrity warning, none of that can be used against them criminally.

The arbitration paperwork should be available at the Boro offices under a Right To Know request and would tell a lot.
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Five'll get you ten if you demanded the arbitration info under the sunshine laws, the town and the cops' lawyers would fight you tooth and nail, calling it "a personnel matter."

The video "involves juveniles" so it can't be released? Seems like a smokescreen, but on which side isn't clear. You'd think if it were damning or even darning the "juveniles" would have lawyers handing out copies to the press on the courthouse steps as they came out from filing their damage suits.

This whole thing doesn't add up at all.
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gascolator;125309 Wrote:Five'll get you ten if you demanded the arbitration info under the sunshine laws, the town and the cops' lawyers would fight you tooth and nail, calling it "a personnel matter."

The video "involves juveniles" so it can't be released? Seems like a smokescreen, but on which side isn't clear. You'd think if it were damning or even darning the "juveniles" would have lawyers handing out copies to the press on the courthouse steps as they came out from filing their damage suits.

This whole thing doesn't add up at all.

Exactly, why, if no wrong doing occurred, would the cops be reinstated "without pay"? If wrong doing did occur why would they be reinstated at all?
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soberbyker;125333 Wrote:
gascolator;125309 Wrote:Five'll get you ten if you demanded the arbitration info under the sunshine laws, the town and the cops' lawyers would fight you tooth and nail, calling it "a personnel matter."

The video "involves juveniles" so it can't be released? Seems like a smokescreen, but on which side isn't clear. You'd think if it were damning or even darning the "juveniles" would have lawyers handing out copies to the press on the courthouse steps as they came out from filing their damage suits.

This whole thing doesn't add up at all.

Exactly, why, if no wrong doing occurred, would the cops be reinstated "without pay"? If wrong doing did occur why would they be reinstated at all?

Indeed. My guess is one or both cops have some political connections and that is why everybody is tight lipped and the cops got their jobs back.
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A couple of possibilities:

1) The parents called and thanked the PD for administering a sorely needed "tune up" to their miserable little toe-rags.
2) Some sort of deal got done to let the kids off if they didn't make trouble regarding the beat-down.

I think (2) is more likely, accounting for the reinstatement, but without getting paid for doing nothing, which the town fathers probably couldn't stomach.

The story the DA is telling is basically a smokescreen for the whole thing being a done deal; there won't ever be anything more said about the whole affair.
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Philadelphia Patriot;125350 Wrote:Indeed. My guess is one or both cops have some political connections and that is why everybody is tight lipped and the cops got their jobs back.

Getting their jobs back has nothing to do with political connections....stop it! That's not how the process works. In their contract they have the right to take matters of discipline in front of a neutral arbiter. They were terminated and opted to take their case in front of a neutral.

When you go to arbitration on an issue you write to the American Arbitration Association and they supply a list of three arbiters. Each side gets to kick one arbiter and the one that is left hears the case. The decision of the arbiter is binding.

The DA's office's actions on the other hand.... interpret that how you will.
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steelcityk9cop;125375 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;125350 Wrote:Indeed. My guess is one or both cops have some political connections and that is why everybody is tight lipped and the cops got their jobs back.

Getting their jobs back has nothing to do with political connections....stop it! That's not how the process works. In their contract they have the right to take matters of discipline in front of a neutral arbiter. They were terminated and opted to take their case in front of a neutral.

When you go to arbitration on an issue you write to the American Arbitration Association and they supply a list of three arbiters. Each side gets to kick one arbiter and the one that is left hears the case. The decision of the arbiter is binding.

The DA's office's actions on the other hand.... interpret that how you will.

You don't know how Upper Darby Township works, you have to be a registered republican just to get a trash truck job ..... WhistlingWhistling
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