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220 swift or 204?
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Im leaning twords the 204. Any thoughts? Targets and varmints out to maybe 400 or 500 yards. I think the 40gr range rounds will hang right around each other, with lighter the 204 winning and heavier the 220 swift winning.

I do like sub calibers too, so thats an extra point for the 204. I figured my loads will almost be exclusively lighter bullets, so Im really thinking the 204 wins but wanted to ask first.
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#2
I've heard that severe barrel throat erosion is inherent to the .220 Swift. For that reason, i guess you'd have to say that the .204 is a better pick by defauit.
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#3
Throat erosion is inherent in any fast shooting rifle. Most of the 220 issues were from weaker barrels, older powders, etc. I'm not to sure of who makes a rifle chambered in 220 swift now, but I'm sure you'd get more shots out of it with modern metallurgy than you would decades ago.

Fast is fine, but accuracy is final, as cliche as that may sound. I'm not to obsessed with speed as I am with a good bullet selection. .224cal bullets has a wide range of bullets made for it. Have you narrowed out the 22-250? Some guys get that ripping at over 5,000fps, if speed is what you want.
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22 250 was considered, as was 22/250AI. The swift as fast as the 22/250AI from my reading though. I also can only find a few reports of the 22/250AI exceeding 5k fps. The 223wsm was considered but the barrel life is way too short, but that thing is fast. The bullet selection of 223 and 204 is quite extensive, so to me thats not a huge factor. The 204 has a bit less, but also uses less powder.

Accuracy is a big deal. I want fast and accurate, which means truly hot rodding is kinda out of the question. So shoving these to 5k, as much as id enjoy it, I dont think its a huge factor. The speed is close with these 2 cartridges, thats why these 2 and my main ones im looking at. Id really like a wildcat, but for now thats out of the question.
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#5
How many rounds do you plan on getting through this rifle? Anything over 3600fps is gonna smoke any throat in a barrel much quicker than you may think. You can always get the chamber set back and the barrel cut. Some guys say their rifles shoot better once they do that, I wouldn't know because I have still yet to shoot out a barrel, but I rarely crack over 3,200fps in any give caliber. Also, some bullets may not be able to handle the speed.

How often do you plan on using this? Varmints is a broad range of critters, pdogs to coyotes, can you narrow it down some more?
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#6
I havnt read anything about the 204 being a barrel burner. Any links?

Im pretty sure im getting the 204. Once I start handloading, this will get used 100 rounds per range trip im guessing, less if I go swift. I get out 12 to 15 times a year give or take. For varmits, I dont get out often. Itd be for ground hogs and once a find a spot yotes. I know the vid can drop yotes out there 500 yards or so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4X25ZjJ...ata_player
Usually ar the range the pistols and 22s get the most uses. Be nice to get serious centerfire time.
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Leplat;11039 Wrote:I havnt read anything about the 204 being a barrel burner. Any links?

Im pretty sure im getting the 204. Once I start handloading, this will get used 100 rounds per range trip im guessing. I get out 12 to 15 times a year give or take. For varmits, I dont get out often. Itd be for ground hogs and once a find a spot yotes. I know the vid can drop yotes out there 500 yards or so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4X25ZjJ...ata_player
Usually the pistols and 22s get the most uses.

Anything that shoots fast is a barrel burner, by barrel I mean throat, not rifling. I know a few guys that like the 204. Find Tomcat088. I'm sure he has some experience with it.
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animalmother85;11046 Wrote:Anything that shoots fast is a barrel burner, by barrel I mean throat, not rifling. I know a few guys that like the 204. Find Tomcat088. I'm sure he has some experience with it.

Someone called my name, lol. I would have gotten to this earlier, but I was out of town since Friday, and was slacking on the forum a bit.

Animalmother is exactly right, anything that is pushing over 3,600 fps is going to be harder on barrels than calibers that people don't view quite as much as a "hot rod". The .204 isn't usually quite talked about as a "barrel burner" because it's not quite as bad as the .22-250 or the .220 swift, but it's still much more of a barrel burner than something like a .223, .223 A.I. or something like that. When you have the ability to push bullets around 4,000 fps, you're starting to heat things up, and get some pressure. You have to keep in mind that it's all relative, when people talk about barrel burners. You can probably get at least 2,500 rounds down the barrel with accuracy close to what you started with. All of this will depend a bit on your load, and how hot you're getting the barrel in strings.

The .204 is a good choice for a varmint round, especially if you aren't trying to stretch it out, and don't normally shoot in gusty conditions. It's basically a miniaturized version of a .22-250. It uses less powder, lighter bullets, and has very similar ballistics. What I like about the .204 is that it takes less powder than the .22-250. This usually means that it doesn't have quite as loud of a signature as the .22-250, which can come in handy on the prairie dogs, where you have lots of shooting and towns looking for shooters. With ground hogs, coyotes, and other varmints, it's not as big of a deal. On long strings, it usually doesn't get quite as hot as the .22-250 because it's also burning less powder. For gusty conditions, or really starting to stretch things out, I prefer the .22-250 because it has a heavier bullet that isn't pushed as much by gusts, and it delivers more kinetic energy on target. Don't get me wrong, I've made hits out to 700 yards on steel with the .204, but for windy stuff, I just like the heavier bullet. The recoil on the .204 is a bit less, but I never thought the .22-250 or the .220 Swift was anything to worry about, or all that noticeable from a solid position.

Honestly, I'd look at the .22-250 before I looked at the .220 swift; especially if you're not as concerned about having the fastest shooting thing out there. The .220 Swift has started to fall a little out of favor amongst shooters, and varminters. The .22-250 is easier to find brass for, which makes your life easier, and you have MUCH more options for quality brass as well. The .22-250 is slightly cheaper in terms of brass cost, but not enough to be significant, usually only 4-7 cents per piece. If you just have to have the velocity, or want to work your brass less, there's always the option of going .22-250 A.I., although it's a little more work to reload for. If you're neck sizing, and not running really hot loads on the .22-250, it's not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. Honestly, depending on your applications, and how far you want to shoot, I'd consider it close to a toss up between the .204 and the .22-250. The .204 brass is quite a lot cheaper than the .22-250 brass, and since it uses less powder, the cost there is less. .204 brass sometimes costs only 60% of what .22-250 brass costs. Honestly, I think it's a little bit of a pain with how small everything for the .204 is, but the cost difference can definitely make it worth it.

If you think the .204 will meet your needs, go for it. I can definitely tell you that it's lethal, including out to longer ranges. You'll need a bit more wind drift when you start to stretch things out, and it won't put as much kinetic energy on target. I can tell you that the .204 is quite "explosive", like most other ultra high velocity rounds. I've hit rabbits at 100 yards, and it looked like they stepped on a landmine. I'm talking not many pieces much larger than about a half dollar. Let me know what your thoughts, and uses are, and if you have any questions. I hope this helps a little.
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#9
Leplat where are you going to shoot this thing? Certainly nowhere around where we live that you can utilize a weapon like that to anywhere near max. effect.
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Tomcat, thanks for your post. Im guessing im going with 204 after all my research and your post. Im looking for 4k fps minimum.


Val, remember Im in greencastle, right by state line. I go to my friends parents house, and we have huge fields to unleash in. Iv got comfortably 500 yard ranges to shoot. Sure it aint full range, but still plenty to have a blast with.
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