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7.62 x 39 or 7.62 x 54R API
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Does it exist? If so does anyone know where a person could find some for sale? Trying to round out my collection of commie ammo, have AP and tracer but no API
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#2
Stop hoarding all the ammo! Tongue
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#3
Northern Arizona Munitions makes incendiary ammo for both calibers. They also make tracer incendiary, and "API" - but it's not really armor piercing. Armor piercing ammo is basically illegal in the 7.62x39 caliber, not sure about x54.

The NAM ammo is available at Ammunition to Go where it costs more than any AK owner would pay.
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(09-07-2012, 07:30 PM)Laplace Wrote: Armor piercing ammo is basically illegal in the 7.62x39 caliber, not sure about x54.
Where did you hear that? I see copper washed steel core 7.62x39 all over the place
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It's common knowledge as far as I know.

Here is the first source on Google:

"3) USE - The bullet must be able to be used in a handgun. Rather than
construing this to mean regular handgun calibers, ATF construes this to
mean any caliber for which a handgun has been made, including handguns
in rifle calibers, like .308 Winchester, and 7.62x39, for purposes of
bullets covered by (B)(i). "

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIG1.html

Rather than asking me to prove it you might want to convince yourself that it is legal. .30-06 and M855 (which is not AP) are specifically exempt and .50 BMG does not apply. Anything else that ever had a "handgun" chambered for it is probably covered but I am no expert.

(09-07-2012, 07:36 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:30 PM)Laplace Wrote: Armor piercing ammo is basically illegal in the 7.62x39 caliber, not sure about x54.
Where did you hear that? I see copper washed steel core 7.62x39 all over the place

Oh, one more thing. The stuff being imported now is steel jacket, not steel core. And the jacket is thin enough and low enough percentage of the projectile that it is not considered AP by ATF. Cut the projectile open and you will see it is not steel core.

There was a lot of steel core from various places during the 90s, especially China. That wasn't AP in any way, either, except in the eyes of the ATF.
I produced precise formulations for what you call, "Black Powder," for General Washington. If not for me, you would be speaking the Queen's English today. Say my name, which you cannot find with an internet search, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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(09-07-2012, 07:44 PM)Laplace Wrote: It's common knowledge as far as I know.

Here is the first source on Google:

"3) USE - The bullet must be able to be used in a handgun. Rather than
construing this to mean regular handgun calibers, ATF construes this to
mean any caliber for which a handgun has been made, including handguns
in rifle calibers, like .308 Winchester, and 7.62x39, for purposes of
bullets covered by (B)(i). "

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIG1.html

Rather than asking me to prove it you might want to convince yourself that it is legal. .30-06 and M855 (which is not AP) are specifically exempt and .50 BMG does not apply. Anything else that ever had a "handgun" chambered for it is probably covered but I am no expert.

(09-07-2012, 07:36 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:30 PM)Laplace Wrote: Armor piercing ammo is basically illegal in the 7.62x39 caliber, not sure about x54.
Where did you hear that? I see copper washed steel core 7.62x39 all over the place

Oh, one more thing. The stuff being imported now is steel jacket, not steel core. And the jacket is thin enough and low enough percentage of the projectile that it is not considered AP by ATF. Cut the projectile open and you will see it is not steel core.

There was a lot of steel core from various places during the 90s, especially China. That wasn't AP in any way, either, except in the eyes of the ATF.
Just made a call to a friend that manufactures ammo, AP and API were banned from importation because of that ruling BUT any ammo already in country is 100% legal.
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(09-07-2012, 07:57 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:44 PM)Laplace Wrote: It's common knowledge as far as I know.

Here is the first source on Google:

"3) USE - The bullet must be able to be used in a handgun. Rather than
construing this to mean regular handgun calibers, ATF construes this to
mean any caliber for which a handgun has been made, including handguns
in rifle calibers, like .308 Winchester, and 7.62x39, for purposes of
bullets covered by (B)(i). "

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIG1.html

Rather than asking me to prove it you might want to convince yourself that it is legal. .30-06 and M855 (which is not AP) are specifically exempt and .50 BMG does not apply. Anything else that ever had a "handgun" chambered for it is probably covered but I am no expert.

(09-07-2012, 07:36 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:30 PM)Laplace Wrote: Armor piercing ammo is basically illegal in the 7.62x39 caliber, not sure about x54.
Where did you hear that? I see copper washed steel core 7.62x39 all over the place

Oh, one more thing. The stuff being imported now is steel jacket, not steel core. And the jacket is thin enough and low enough percentage of the projectile that it is not considered AP by ATF. Cut the projectile open and you will see it is not steel core.

There was a lot of steel core from various places during the 90s, especially China. That wasn't AP in any way, either, except in the eyes of the ATF.
Just made a call to a friend that manufactures ammo, AP and API were banned from importation because of that ruling BUT any ammo already in country is 100% legal.

It is also banned from manufacture or sale, not just importation.

Like I said, all the "copper washed steel core" you are seeing on the current market is not steel core at all. I would listen to your friend since I am no expert. I know I won't get AP in a gun store unless it is .30-06 or .50 BMG, and I am not worried about getting it in other calibers so I've never looked into it.
I produced precise formulations for what you call, "Black Powder," for General Washington. If not for me, you would be speaking the Queen's English today. Say my name, which you cannot find with an internet search, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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(09-07-2012, 08:01 PM)Laplace Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:57 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:44 PM)Laplace Wrote: It's common knowledge as far as I know.

Here is the first source on Google:

"3) USE - The bullet must be able to be used in a handgun. Rather than
construing this to mean regular handgun calibers, ATF construes this to
mean any caliber for which a handgun has been made, including handguns
in rifle calibers, like .308 Winchester, and 7.62x39, for purposes of
bullets covered by (B)(i). "

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIG1.html

Rather than asking me to prove it you might want to convince yourself that it is legal. .30-06 and M855 (which is not AP) are specifically exempt and .50 BMG does not apply. Anything else that ever had a "handgun" chambered for it is probably covered but I am no expert.

(09-07-2012, 07:36 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:30 PM)Laplace Wrote: Armor piercing ammo is basically illegal in the 7.62x39 caliber, not sure about x54.
Where did you hear that? I see copper washed steel core 7.62x39 all over the place

Oh, one more thing. The stuff being imported now is steel jacket, not steel core. And the jacket is thin enough and low enough percentage of the projectile that it is not considered AP by ATF. Cut the projectile open and you will see it is not steel core.

There was a lot of steel core from various places during the 90s, especially China. That wasn't AP in any way, either, except in the eyes of the ATF.
Just made a call to a friend that manufactures ammo, AP and API were banned from importation because of that ruling BUT any ammo already in country is 100% legal.

It is also banned from manufacture or sale, not just importation.

Like I said, all the "copper washed steel core" you are seeing on the current market is not steel core at all. I would listen to your friend since I am no expert. I know I won't get AP in a gun store unless it is .30-06 or .50 BMG, and I am not worried about getting it in other calibers so I've never looked into it.
Yeah okay, that's why a magnet picks it up Rolleyes

Trust me, it's steel core ... he just picked up and sold to original tins of it at the Split Rock show
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(09-07-2012, 08:23 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 08:01 PM)Laplace Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:57 PM)dc dalton Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:44 PM)Laplace Wrote: It's common knowledge as far as I know.

Here is the first source on Google:

"3) USE - The bullet must be able to be used in a handgun. Rather than
construing this to mean regular handgun calibers, ATF construes this to
mean any caliber for which a handgun has been made, including handguns
in rifle calibers, like .308 Winchester, and 7.62x39, for purposes of
bullets covered by (B)(i). "

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIG1.html

Rather than asking me to prove it you might want to convince yourself that it is legal. .30-06 and M855 (which is not AP) are specifically exempt and .50 BMG does not apply. Anything else that ever had a "handgun" chambered for it is probably covered but I am no expert.

(09-07-2012, 07:36 PM)dc dalton Wrote: Where did you hear that? I see copper washed steel core 7.62x39 all over the place

Oh, one more thing. The stuff being imported now is steel jacket, not steel core. And the jacket is thin enough and low enough percentage of the projectile that it is not considered AP by ATF. Cut the projectile open and you will see it is not steel core.

There was a lot of steel core from various places during the 90s, especially China. That wasn't AP in any way, either, except in the eyes of the ATF.
Just made a call to a friend that manufactures ammo, AP and API were banned from importation because of that ruling BUT any ammo already in country is 100% legal.

It is also banned from manufacture or sale, not just importation.

Like I said, all the "copper washed steel core" you are seeing on the current market is not steel core at all. I would listen to your friend since I am no expert. I know I won't get AP in a gun store unless it is .30-06 or .50 BMG, and I am not worried about getting it in other calibers so I've never looked into it.
Yeah okay, that's why a magnet picks it up Rolleyes

Trust me, it's steel core ... he just picked up and sold to original tins of it at the Split Rock show

OK, that's interesting. What brand is it?

All the commie stuff is steel jacket, whether steel core or not. That is why a magnet picks it up. "Copper washed steel" does not refer to the core.

I had no idea there was so much steel core still on the market, and no idea an FFL could still sell the stuff.

Take your hacksaw and cut one open.
I produced precise formulations for what you call, "Black Powder," for General Washington. If not for me, you would be speaking the Queen's English today. Say my name, which you cannot find with an internet search, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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(09-07-2012, 07:13 PM)mikey Wrote: Stop hoarding all the ammo! Tongue
I was going to say the same thing... Big Grin
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