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A bit of information for people learning about gun ownership in Pa.
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I posted this on another forum a couple of weeks ago. I think it will fit in here. btw. thanks for including this sub forum.

This is a very basic outline for someone new to guns and considering getting a firearm in Pa. I thought it might be helpful based on a recent online discussion and a conversation I had not to long ago with someone thinking about getting a gun. I figure anyone doing a search might come across this and hopefully it will give some helpful info. I am trying to focus on the difference between the process of buying a gun and getting a LTCF.

I am not an expert, lawyer or lawmaker, just a gun owner who was once new to the processes and topics below. This list is for beginners and not complete. It omits a lot of in depth things that you will learn about if you choose to get more involved with firearms. The key thing is research as much as you can. You may currently have the right to carry, you can easily lose those rights if you do not know your firearm laws.

General Info

1.* In Pa you can own guns for in home/property use or carry for protection. 2.* Both the U.S Constitution and Pa Constitution have sections pertaining to peoples right to bear arms. 3.* Gun laws vary from state to state. What works in Pa will not work in NJ. 4.* In Pa you can own a gun as long as you are not a prohibited person.* Your criminal or mental background would determine if you are prohibited. 5.* You do NOT need a LTCF just to own a gun in Pa. You do need a LTCF if you intend to conceal carry in Pa.

Process to obtain a gun

To buy a handgun or new long gun in Pa, you will: 1.* You will buy it from a seller who has a Federal Firearms License (FFL) or they will send it/sell it through a person with a FFL. 2.* The FFL will charge you a fee above the price of your gun to transfer the gun to you. The price varies depending upon the person with the FFL.*Generally $30-50 from what I've seen. 3. You will be required to fill out paperwork when purchasing the gun. The paperwork will ask various questions to determine if you are prohibited. 4.* After you have finished the paperwork, the FFL will make a phone call to Pa Instant Check System (PICS) which is linked to the National Instant Criminal Background check System (NICS) run by the FBI. 5.* The PICS check is the final word at that moment if you are a prohibited person or not.

If you are found to be a prohibited person, you will not be allowed to take the gun with you. You will then have to determine why you are prohibited.

If you are not a prohibited person you will be allowed to have the gun and take it home right then.* You are allowed to take the gun home in your car without a LTCF if you go straight home. It is important to note that passing a NICS check does not mean you now have a LTCF or even that you will be approved to have a LTCF. That is a different process

Carrying a gun

There are basically two types of carry, open (OC) or concealed (CC).

A. Open Carry: Carrying a gun in public where everyone can see it. There are laws that you need to know if you do this. Please research the laws before you do so. There are a couple of links below that have more information. You do not need a ltcf to Open Carry unless you are carrying in Philadelphia.

Here is a resource that is well worth the time to read.

http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...nsylvania.html (READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania)

and another great resource: http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...carry-you.html (Your Pennsylvania Gun Rights ~Handy flyer to carry with you.)

B.* Concealed Carry: In Pa you may get a License to Carry a Firearm (LTCF) This allows you to CC which means carry a handgun on your person while hidden. (t he gun, not you ) It can be hidden in an Inside the Waistband holster (IWB), ankle holster, shoulder holster, pocket carry and so on. You may OC if you have a LTCF. You may NOT CC if you do not have a LTCF. It also allows you to carry in a car and during a state of emergency.

The LTCF will allow you to CC or OC anywhere legal in Pa. I have a brief outline of what to do below to get one. Ironsight has a more in depth outline posted here.

http://www.pa2a.org/thread-how-to-get-yo...-a-firearm

* To apply for a LTCF: (Note:this is suppose to be uniform across the state but there still seem to be variations, especially in Philadelphia. Hopefully someone who understands Philly better than I can do will add to this)

1.* You must be 21. 2. * You go to your Sheriffs Office at your county courthouse and fill out an application. (or print one out and fill it in ahead of time). Take a photo ID with you. 3.* You should only have to pay a $20 fee and they will process your application. 4.* They ask you for 2 references. You can use anyone who is not a family member. 5.* They will do a background check. They use (PICS) run by the Pa State Police. 6.* They have up to 45 days to process the application.* Each county is different, some do it the same day, others take the entire time. 7.* Pa is a "Shall Issue" state which basically means they need a good legal reason to not issue you a LTCF. 8.* If you have been found to be an acceptable person to have a LTCF, you will receive a letter telling you that you have been approved. They will either send you your LTCF or you then take the letter to the Sheriffs office and they will issue your LTCF. 9.* If they deny your application there is a process to find out why and challenge it.* Don't waste time, get to it once you get your denial letter. There can be reasons that simple challenge will overcome.

Couple of facts/things worth further research:

There are different laws that apply to handguns and Long guns. You should know the laws for whichever you have.

You can't just lend/give a gun to whomever you want. Look up info or ask questions before lending/giving a gun to someone. -----------------------------------------------------------------------Remember, you might currently have the right to own guns, not knowing the Pa gun laws could easily lose you that right once you have a gun.



If anyone sees any mistakes or inaccuracies in what I wrote, please let me know.
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You should add to this about gun ownership/possession in the household with/of or around a Felon.

I know they can't own one, but can they shoot one? Say at a gun range with someone who is not a felon?
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AndrewG23;22083 Wrote:You should add to this about gun ownership/possession in the household with/of or around a Felon.

I know they can't own one, but can they shoot one? Say at a gun range with someone who is not a felon?

Most statutes which prohibit purchase by those persons also prohibit possession. Shooting requires possession.
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ByblosHex;22099 Wrote:
AndrewG23;22083 Wrote:You should add to this about gun ownership/possession in the household with/of or around a Felon.

I know they can't own one, but can they shoot one? Say at a gun range with someone who is not a felon?

Most statutes which prohibit purchase by those persons also prohibit possession. Shooting requires possession.

Yeah I was leaning on "shooting" being considered as possession. Took some research lol
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Quote:Posted by Internet troll - 09-08-2012 04:28 PM ...
A. Open Carry: Carrying a gun in public where everyone can see it. There are laws that you need to know if you do this. See the links below. .... You may OC if you have a LTCF.

Above you say linkS but only include a single link. Also you make it sound, at least to me, as if you need a LTCF to OC. The only place you need a LTCF to OC is in "Cities of the first class", Philadelphia is the only city that fits that description, which is determined by population. To the best of my knowledge that's the only restriction on OC except that you need a license/permit to carry in/on a conveyance (basically a vehicle).
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soberbyker;22224 Wrote:
Quote:Posted by Internet troll - 09-08-2012 04:28 PM ...
A. Open Carry: Carrying a gun in public where everyone can see it. There are laws that you need to know if you do this. See the links below. .... You may OC if you have a LTCF.

Above you say linkS but only include a single link. Also you make it sound, at least to me, as if you need a LTCF to OC. The only place you need a LTCF to OC is in "Cities of the first class", Philadelphia is the only city that fits that description, which is determined by population. To the best of my knowledge that's the only restriction on OC except that you need a license/permit to carry in/on a conveyance (basically a vehicle).

Also you need a license to carry during a declared state of emergency as well as within the Federal Gun Free School zones.
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ByblosHex;22281 Wrote:
soberbyker;22224 Wrote: Above you say linkS but only include a single link. Also you make it sound, at least to me, as if you need a LTCF to OC. The only place you need a LTCF to OC is in "Cities of the first class", Philadelphia is the only city that fits that description, which is determined by population. To the best of my knowledge that's the only restriction on OC except that you need a license/permit to carry in/on a conveyance (basically a vehicle).

Also you need a license to carry during a declared state of emergency as well as within the Federal Gun Free School zones.

And you can not OC at state parks. You can CC but as always you need a valid LTCF.
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soberbyker;22224 Wrote:
Quote:Posted by Internet troll - 09-08-2012 04:28 PM ...
A. Open Carry: Carrying a gun in public where everyone can see it. There are laws that you need to know if you do this. See the links below. .... You may OC if you have a LTCF.

Above you say linkS but only include a single link. Also you make it sound, at least to me, as if you need a LTCF to OC. The only place you need a LTCF to OC is in "Cities of the first class", Philadelphia is the only city that fits that description, which is determined by population. To the best of my knowledge that's the only restriction on OC except that you need a license/permit to carry in/on a conveyance (basically a vehicle).

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ByblosHex;22281 Wrote:
soberbyker;22224 Wrote: Above you say linkS but only include a single link. Also you make it sound, at least to me, as if you need a LTCF to OC. The only place you need a LTCF to OC is in "Cities of the first class", Philadelphia is the only city that fits that description, which is determined by population. To the best of my knowledge that's the only restriction on OC except that you need a license/permit to carry in/on a conveyance (basically a vehicle).

Also you need a license to carry during a declared state of emergency as well as within the Federal Gun Free School zones.

When I came up with this I wanted a basic outline for a beginner that I had not seen anywhere else and thought would benefit a newbie. I did not want to rehash what others had already come up with. I originally included links to a couple of other sources from PAFOA. When I posted this on pa2a I was not sure about the etiquette of including those links here. I never got around to reintegrating them after I found out it was okay. I just put the links back into the post for people who want to delve deeper.

Thanks for the feedback.

AndrewG23;22511 Wrote:
ByblosHex;22281 Wrote:Also you need a license to carry during a declared state of emergency as well as within the Federal Gun Free School zones.

And you can not OC at state parks. You can CC but as always you need a valid LTCF.

thanks for the feedback.
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Just as a head's up the link to my one guide no longer works.

Admittedly I deleted almost all of my posts, including that one. Felt like crap afterwords because I should have let that one stay. I don't know if the site admins can recover it or not.

For now though, in case anyone was wondering that is why the link fails. I'll recreate the guide here in a few days if the site can't recover it.
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