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A letter from a Mississippi doctor
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I've said it before and I'll say it again if regular people knew what goes on in hospitals, pharmacies and doctors offices over Medicaid on a daily basis people would be rioting in the street. My wife and I have both spent a good amount time in the healthcare industry in general (not anymore for me though) and we can both vouch for having seen cases exactly like this on a regular basis (as in pretty much daily) in PA:

Quote: Dear Mr. President:

During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive Shiny gold
tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone.

While glancing over her Patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as "Medicaid"! During my examination of her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.

And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman's health care?

I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a "crisis of culture", a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance.

It is a culture based on the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me". Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our nation's health care difficulties will disappear.

Respectfully,
STARNER JONES, MD

If I were president Medicaid would be ended entirely tomorrow. The abusers FAR outnumber the people who it legitimately benefits. Next time you clip off a finger on the table saw and have a 2 hour wait in the ER remind yourself of the illegal immigrant or 3rd generation welfare recipient with the sniffles or stubbed toe who called 911 and got a free $1200 ambulance ride at your expense. Or the 3rd generation welfare recipient who also got the ambulance ride and free ER visit because they needed a high blood-pressure prescription refill and finds that just calling 911 and being chauffeured to the hospital in style is more convenient than finding a GP and having to make an appointment 2 weeks in advance and hopping on a city bus to get their refill which should have cost them maybe $100 instead of costing YOU $2200 for an ER visit and ambulance ride. Remember this also when someone dies in a car accident because the Ambulance couldn't get there quick enough busy or too far away on another call for one of these clowns.

WHAT!!!?!?!!? You want ME to pay my $1 co-pay on my narcotics that cost the government $500 a month that I'm just going to turn around and sell on the street for thousands?! Heresy! If you don't waive my $1 co-pay I'll complain to corporate, lie, and say you called me the N-word! (personal true story)
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Those of us that deal/dealt with those types of people know the truth. I had many experiences dealing with people on disability, welfare etc. It never ceased to amaze me.

I would love to have all those that deal with that segment of society film the "needy" so the bleeding hearts could get a real life view of those they want to help. The politicians already know, they continue the charade simply to buy votes.
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I remember my first experience learning about this...my husband's sister was always on welfare and things. When we first got married in 1996 I got a phone call that his sister had to take her son to the ER. I panicked! I was like, Oh my word, what's wrong with him! The way I grew up, you had to be seriously, seriously ill or hurt to go to the ER.

I found out my new nephew had a fever/virus.

Really?????

Yeah.

Actually let me amend this to something recent that really annoyed me. We took our son to the pediatrician to see if he needed stitches. He did. But pediatricians evidently do not do stitches in the office anymore???? So they sent us to the ER. For a couple of stitches.
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Its all fine and good to be upset about people scamming the system but let us not forget that there are a few that cant use their arms and legs and poop in bags all day. I don't think many of us have an issue with helping them out. Of course I'd rather see it in private hands but since the government has ruined charity let's at least change it so that people with real issues still get the help they need and paid for via social security taxes.
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ExcelToExcel;50575 Wrote:Its all fine and good to be upset about people scamming the system but let us not forget that there are a few that cant use their arms and legs and poop in bags all day. I don't think many of us have an issue with helping them out. Of course I'd rather see it in private hands but since the government has ruined charity let's at least change it so that people with real issues still get the help they need and paid for via social security taxes.

No different than the little scooters at Walmart. A few years ago, I had a medical boot. I ended up having surgery in my foot. I only needed one thing so I went in and out on crutches. I saw a mountain in a tweety bird shirt get on one just to roll over to the subway less than 30feet from the door.

Some people need help. Some can get by without it. Others, are a total waste on the system.

People that use and abuse the system, be it health care, welfare, anything. These are not people, but are parasites.
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Connal;50581 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;50575 Wrote:Its all fine and good to be upset about people scamming the system but let us not forget that there are a few that cant use their arms and legs and poop in bags all day. I don't think many of us have an issue with helping them out. Of course I'd rather see it in private hands but since the government has ruined charity let's at least change it so that people with real issues still get the help they need and paid for via social security taxes.

No different than the little scooters at Walmart. A few years ago, I had a medical boot. I ended up having surgery in my foot. I only needed one thing so I went in and out on crutches. I saw a mountain in a tweety bird shirt get on one just to roll over to the subway less than 30feet from the door.

Some people need help. Some can get by without it. Others, are a total waste on the system.

People that use and abuse the system, be it health care, welfare, anything. These are not people, but are parasites.

No it's never all fine and good. ANY government program the size of Medicaid will ALWAYS be subject to massive fraud and abuse, it doesn't matter how you try to re-invent it. Medicaid needs to be ended entirely. I have been to several "3rd world countries" that have no social safety net at all. In many of them (but not all) I see less homeless people walking around ALL DAY than I see changing tracks in the subway station under city hall in Philadelphia in the winter. Why? Because in places in the world that still have a degree of personal responsibility left, if a family allows one of their own to be homeless it brings shame upon the whole family, and while I'm not a big proponent of the church...In these countries where there is no safety net, those who do fall and have nobody to catch them are helped by charitable organizations and religious institutions and they can because so few are allowed to fall to that point by their own families. Lots of smaller institutions in control of societal safety net programs are less likely to allow massive instances of waste, abuse and fraud to occur when the charity's very survival is at stake rather than justifying an ever increasing a tax payer funded budget without ever seeing the threat of default. The only third world country without an actively tyrannical government that has a homeless population that could rival Philadelphia that I've seen in person is Cambodia, and that has a lot to do with the ending of Pol Pot's reign and the extremely high incidence of people stepping on landmines missing limbs keeping them from being able to do anything and is on the short list of poorest countries in the world. If I were a billionaire I would love to round up some welfare and ghetto trash and take them to a poor country like Cambodia with a handful of interpreters and then ask them afterwards how bad they really have it once they see people who literally live in stick huts and have more pride in themselves and what little they do have than these people who have everything and feel entitled to it. Traveling to shitty places like that makes you understand in a hurry that "poor" is an extremely relative term with regards to America. As a side note I also find it interesting how in the US in inner city schools they can't keep kids in school, yet in the third world countries the kids WANT to go to school because staying home means a day of HARD labor and toil the likes of which our "poor" here in America have never seen.

In the depression there was no food stamps or medicaid, just people with pride and a willingness to work who wouldn't allow their children to be sick or starve. If someone stopped by a house who was homeless they would offer to help with something that needed doing for someone in exchange for food or a place to sleep for the night. Nowadays people want to do nothing and expect everything because they've never known any different. Pretty much all entitlement programs need to be ended tomorrow if we even want a snowball's chance in hell of saving this country. A great deal of society needs to learn to swim via a swift kick in the ass at the deep end side of the pool. That's all there is to it.

Without Medicaid we'd have lower taxes. With lower taxes people would have more disposable income. With more disposable income comes greater donations to charity and more people able to help, which results in the money being used more efficiently actually helping the people who need help rather than paying "administration" costs for some bitch to sit and look at Facebook all day and do 5 minutes of real work a day while taking away from those who actually need help in order to keep their ass in a comfy government job with a big ass benefits package.

Just look at that homeless asshole in NY who wants his "piece of the pie" for getting photographed getting a free pair of brand new boots from a generous cop.
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Emoticon;50541 Wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again if regular people knew what goes on in hospitals, pharmacies and doctors offices over Medicaid on a daily basis people would be rioting in the street. My wife and I have both spent a good amount time in the healthcare industry in general (not anymore for me though) and we can both vouch for having seen cases exactly like this on a regular basis (as in pretty much daily) in PA:

I guess you know that you are preaching to the choir, here.

The problem is that we are past the point of fixing Medicaid, and there's no chance in hell of eliminating it. The political will is such that Medicaid will only grow.

At some point, China and others will get scared, and will stop loaning us money. Then the system will fix itself.
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longcall911;50722 Wrote:
Emoticon;50541 Wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again if regular people knew what goes on in hospitals, pharmacies and doctors offices over Medicaid on a daily basis people would be rioting in the street. My wife and I have both spent a good amount time in the healthcare industry in general (not anymore for me though) and we can both vouch for having seen cases exactly like this on a regular basis (as in pretty much daily) in PA:

I guess you know that you are preaching to the choir, here.

The problem is that we are past the point of fixing Medicaid, and there's no chance in hell of eliminating it. The political will is such that Medicaid will only grow.

At some point, China and others will get scared, and will stop loaning us money. Then the system will fix itself.

Germany is already checking to make sure we haven't sold their gold out from under them. I expect the US government will probably try to pull a "Crazy Eddie" on them regardless though. Sure will be interesting once the gravy train derails though.
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Ugh I wish I could finx the article. Seems that the fed actually owns about $14T of the debt and not china. China refuses to buy anymore and has been dumping. I dont understand why we dont just forgive our own debt or suspend interest payments to the fed
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ExcelToExcel;51135 Wrote:Ugh I wish I could finx the article. Seems that the fed actually owns about $14T of the debt and not china. China refuses to buy anymore and has been dumping. I dont understand why we dont just forgive our own debt or suspend interest payments to the fed

Because the fed is owned by the largest banking cartels in the US, which in turn benefit from the free money created out of thin air and the interest payments on top of that. If it's not a conflict of interests I don't know what is. Why would they screw up a free lunch? Congress has also "forgotten" it has the ultimate authority with regards to money creation. That's why the debt will never be forgiven.

I think what will happen is the banks will shift their balance sheets over to hard assets across the board. Look at how the fed took over all those upside down mortgages and monetized the debt while ever increasing it's precious metal holdings all the while in recent history. Once the banks are happy with the hard assets they've accrued they will carry on printing the money into oblivion until the government defaults. When the money runs out... The inflation runs rampant until the government can pay off the outstanding debt now that the currency is worthless. Once the outstanding debt is paid, then bang Mr. C note Benjamin Franklin loses a zero and we all start over. What little of your nest egg remains from the inflationary period that came as the result of the endless printing is now diminished by a factor for 10. Everything you worked your whole life for that isn't a house, a gun, a precious metal or something else with it's own intrinsic value is now worthless or gone. Meanwhile the banks have some houses and gold to sell you, as they haven't lost a dime while the American rube has taken the bullet from them. If America doesn't recover from this economic reset and becomes a 3rd world country, those banks have some houses to sell the Chinese and other emerging markets what still have the capacity to manufacture and generate actual wealth for the country. The game is rigged so the bank ALWAYS wins.
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