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A libertarians view on Gun Control
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http://www.nolanchart.com/article10004-g...crisy.html

Quote:Topic: 2nd Amendment
Gun Hypocrisy

With so many guns what are the Second Amendment enthusiasts waiting for, if they truly see the government already stealing their liberties?
by Joel S. Hirschhorn
(libertarian)
Sunday, December 9, 2012

Puzzling me for a long time is the inconsistency between two claims by gun and Second Amendment supporters. One is that what they worship is critically needed to defend themselves against a government that they would view as oppressive and unacceptable. The other is their belief that the US government has already become awful, stealing their liberties.

Why then, I keep asking myself, have we not seen a violent uprising among the untold millions of Americans owning guns to take back their government? Why do we not see what goes on in European nations, namely violent public uprisings against governments?

There is more private gun ownership in the US than any other nation. We have a far right part of the population with considerable public presence and power. FOX News, the Tea Party movement, and countless groups and think tanks angrily attacking the mainstream media, liberals, and leftist politicians as well as just about everything done by President Obama.

So, why hasn’t the massive number of gun nuts who keep expressing their love of the Second Amendment actually done what they claim is exactly needed, what the Second Amendment was created to give them the right to do, and what their massive gun power supposedly gives them the means to accomplish? Especially when they lose major elections, when their Republican and conservative politicians fail to deliver to them?

Are the paranoid doom and gloom gun nuts waiting for things to get a whole lot worse before they actually implement the grand plan to use their guns to overthrow what they see as an evil, unconstitutional and oppressive government?

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Quote:As to the roughly, at most, 100 million American gun owners, keep fighting more gun control laws. Keep buying even more guns, keep the multibillion dollar gun industry thriving. Keep screaming about your Second Amendment rights. Keep voting for Republicans. Keep listening to Limbaugh and Hannity and all the other idols that are among the richest Americans. Keep deluding yourselves that you are the only hope for the nation. Don’t face your hypocrisy. Delusion is the opiate of the right.

Or, just give up, bite the bullet and shoot yourselves. Make us gun control enthusiasts happy.

(libertarian) ???
More like delusional to me.
The Second Amendment does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not infringe our right.
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We are not ready for an armed revolution yet, it's as simple as that.
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Oh goodie, another article about gun owners written by somebody with no clue about gun ownership or the gun buying public.

Quote:Or, just give up, bite the bullet and shoot yourselves. Make us gun control enthusiasts happy.

Or, maybe we'll just tell you to fuck off Joel.

Quote:Keep thinking that you need guns to combat criminals, except there is no evidence that crime has actually been curbed by the massive gun ownership.

Dodgy Says the one who hasn't bother to look at them.

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Nice to see another blind author pretending he can speculate about what he so clearly does not understand.
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What he fails to understand about history, in any revolution, there's a tipping point. I don't believe that the US has reached that point, again.
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streaker69;51090 Wrote:What he fails to understand about history, in any revolution, there's a tipping point. I don't believe that the US has reached that point, again.

The author seems to think people can just wake up in the morning and decide to revolt.

The benefits in any decision have to outweigh the risks. Which means that if a revolt ever occurred, it would mean there was absolutely no other logical choice...people are backed into a corner, and would rather die than continue on the way things are going.

And I agree, we haven't reached that point.
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bac0nfat;51083 Wrote:We are not ready for an armed revolution yet, it's as simple as that.

The Black Panthers started theirs prematurely and they got the ass end of the po-po thrown at them.

Also there's the huge SCOTUS win over D.C. over universal bans being declared unconstitutional. And Pennsylvania is kinda proof that a blue-ish kinda state can still be gun-friendly (making it kinda purple rather than blue).

So if there's any revolution to be had, it's throwing out the dead weight in the Republican Party.
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For someone who seems to dislike guns, he sure is eager to be caught in the middle of an armed revolution. I have a feeling he didn't think this through.
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After reading that I have a hard time believing that he is truly libertarian. I would be much more apt to call him an anarchist than to call him libertarian. He wants to see a revolt, he wants to see people killed by the government and if he doesn't see that he, in essence, calls everyone a candy ass. Nothing libertarian about those stances.
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billamj;51119 Wrote:After reading that I have a hard time believing that he is truly libertarian. I would be much more apt to call him an anarchist than to call him libertarian. He wants to see a revolt, he wants to see people killed by the government and if he doesn't see that he, in essence, calls everyone a candy ass. Nothing libertarian about those stances.

To quote Alfred from the Dark Knight, "some men just want to watch the world burn"
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Liberal maybe libertarian no.
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