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A lil something I posted about gun control
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In a gun control discussion on an international forum, a sheep from Australia posited that his country has become a paradise since gun control came into effect. So I found a September article from an Australian newspaper about a police chief railing about their out of control gun violence in Australia. I asked him if hoplophobia was a national thing for Aussies....
His response:
Quote: motyak wrote:
So...you don't have an actual response based in statistics, just a random paper from the central coast (which isn't even in Western Sydney). You are just throwing that out there and walking away from the debate.

And not really, plenty of farmers and what not have firearms for rooing and pigging, and there is at least one large rifle range near where I live, which seems to get pretty good business and lets you fire them without licenses and what not as long as you are under supervision of someone with a license. It also holds 'introduction days' which seem to get pretty good attendance, where you learn a bit about shooting rifles and air rifles.

edit: Also, that is an awesome word, I had to google it to see what it was.
double edit: Ah no wonder I didn't recognise it, it isn't an actual phobia in the psychological sense. Still, cool word.

My response:

Quote:Im still here.

Dont know anything about Australia's gun problems, dont really care to be honest as I live in this country and not there. Its a cultural difference. In this country, we still hold personal freedoms and rights of the individual as somewhat sacrosanct. There are those who would abrogate this to the state so as to relieve themselves of the burden of the responsibility of self protection, and because their mentality eschews the individual, they would like to impose their fear on everyone else. They need the group affirmation to bolster their beliefs. I hold them in contemptible regard, as Im sure they hold me. No love loss.

I live in a rural area. We have firearms for hunting, personal protection, recreation and collecting. My now 14 year old has a Ruger 10/22 as well as a Ruger MkIII that she shoots very well. My 11 year old will get a Browning BL22 Grade II when she turns 12. All my children know and love to shoot, they are very proficient at it. Its a family recreation for us. Provided my children keep their records clean, when they turn 21, I will transfer the firearms to them. In this country, licensing isnt needed as we view gun ownership generally as an inalienable right, my state having open carry. Because I chose to conceal carry, I have a license to do so. There are progressive states that have passed laws to curtail gun rights, but those laws when challenged fall to the wayside upon reaching the Supreme Court (for now). Should the balance of the court change and we see laws be reinterpreted, this whole issue may come to a head.

As it is, with this last gun control push, many looked into and chose to exercise their Constitutional rights as they saw the possibility that the government would make moves against it. People from all walks of life, race, religion and political affiliation took up the mantle of gun ownership. Some are fighting to reclaim it. For the most part, I dont think they will want to relinquish it in this country so easily.

It's funny to see how the international community holds us gun owners in low regard. Eff 'em.
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Well done Vic.
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That was a good response, but...

...dafuck should you care what some Aussie moron thinks about gun rights? I have a few friends from the UK and other countries; for the most part, they are actually jealous of our freedoms and our right to arms, though are somewhat puzzled by the fact that we believe we have the right to the same arms as our military. It's not an "anti" line of thought; they just can't fathom an average subject being on equal footing with a soldier. The idea of the people being the militia is fascinating, frightening, and incredible to them, all at once.
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jahwarrior72;119219 Wrote:That was a good response, but...

...dafuck should you care what some Aussie moron thinks about gun rights? I have a few friends from the UK and other countries; for the most part, they are actually jealous of our freedoms and our right to arms, though are somewhat puzzled by the fact that we believe we have the right to the same arms as our military. It's not an "anti" line of thought; they just can't fathom an average subject being on equal footing with a soldier. The idea of the people being the militia is fascinating, frightening, and incredible to them, all at once.

A rock gets shaped and wore down by water over time. Im just trying to be the water, so I go where they are and maybe give them a pov they wont get in mass media. If I can get them to stop, think and question, even for a second, then I feel like Ive done something.
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das;119214 Wrote:Well done Vic.


Thanks Das! None of them have posted a reply yet.....
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sacrosanct
abrogate
eschews
affirmation
bolster
contemptible regard
proficient
inalienable
curtail
relinquish

Some heavyweight words. Vocabulary is important in sending a message that gun owners are not all toothless hicks who dropped out of fourth grade. As Marshall McLuhan said "the media is the message". A well worded reply devoid of cliches is difficult to dismiss. It is hard to have a rational discussion with a liberal since they seem to converse on an hysterical emotional level only on display in grade B horror movies.
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Coops;119230 Wrote:sacrosanct
abrogate
eschews
affirmation
bolster
contemptible regard
proficient
inalienable
curtail
relinquish

Some heavyweight words. Vocabulary is important in sending a message that gun owners are not all toothless hicks who dropped out of fourth grade. As Marshall McLuhan said "the media is the message". A well worded reply devoid of cliches is difficult to dismiss. It is hard to have a rational discussion with a liberal since they seem to converse on an hysterical emotional level only on display in grade B horror movies.


It would seem my post on that thread in that forum quelled their thirst to post. Like the confused silence you get after a large explosion.
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Spacemanvic;119225 Wrote:
jahwarrior72;119219 Wrote:That was a good response, but...

...dafuck should you care what some Aussie moron thinks about gun rights? I have a few friends from the UK and other countries; for the most part, they are actually jealous of our freedoms and our right to arms, though are somewhat puzzled by the fact that we believe we have the right to the same arms as our military. It's not an "anti" line of thought; they just can't fathom an average subject being on equal footing with a soldier. The idea of the people being the militia is fascinating, frightening, and incredible to them, all at once.

A rock gets shaped and wore down by water over time. Im just trying to be the water, so I go where they are and maybe give them a pov they wont get in mass media. If I can get them to stop, think and question, even for a second, then I feel like Ive done something.

A rock gets shaped and wore down by water over time. But eventually, someone sees that rock, pulls it out of the river, and throws it at the idiots head as hard as he can.
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If it was a flat rock I would just as soon skip it Tongue
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Spacemanvic;119269 Wrote:It would seem my post on that thread in that forum quelled their thirst to post. Like the confused silence you get after a large explosion.

They're still looking up the big words...
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