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A little help, for Erie OC rally.
#11
There is a city hall meeting tonight. I'll be making the hour and a half drive up there, to see what their response might be when Justin speaks. I'll update the post when I get home.
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#12
Well, I wasn't able to make it. Some stuff came up. But, I'm on the phone with Justin right now. Here is a breakdown.

The city said "tough luck". They are willing to go to court over this. The only problem, we don't have the money for the representation yet.

Poor guy is at the end of his rope, working as hard as he can, and everyone likes the facebook page, but isn't willing to do much more. He had a lady working on posters, who apparently isn't able to do it with the threats from the city.

Even a little donation, $1. That is more than many are doing now. We are currently at $100, I know people that give more money that that to the Bingo Hall every week.

And I hate asking, I wish I had the money for it myself.

Another way people can help, is to call the Erie City council. I am working on getting their contact information. We have to put pressure on them. I am going to the rally, but I can't afford the $300 fine. Talk to your friends, your family. People you go to the range with. Anything will help. Right now though, it is like digging a hole in sand.

Also, here is the link to the news article, with video.

http://yourerie.com/fulltext?nxd_id=306422
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#13
Did you guys contact your NRA field rep?

Quote:Area 5: Western Pennsylvania
C. Thomas Baldrige

C. Thomas Baldrige
Senior Field Representative
(724) 861-0447 (office)
(724) 861-2043 (fax)
TBaldrige@nrahq.org

It's worth a shot.
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#14
I would attend, but it is just too far. . . a six hour ride for me.

You or Justin should notify the State police, expressing concern for your safety from overzealous local police and notifying them that you have knowledge of a crime that is planned, enforcement of an illegal law. I'm convinced that their presence in Morrisville is what prevented city cops from enforcement of their bullshit "no firearms in the park" ordinance.

There should be multiple people video recording the event. Those people should not OC and should not interact with police. They should keep a great distance. Otherwise they risk being arrested themselves and camera taken, video destroyed.

If there are any arrests, I think lots of folks would be willing to donate. I certainly would. I find it hard to donate now to a defense fund that "might" happen. But if it does, I am committing now to help raising money from others, in addition to what I might donate myself.
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#15
How much is the lawyer charging? Shouldn't be more than $500 to 1000 for a summary offence. He should be more than happy to do it for the resulting civil case.
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longcall911;102219 Wrote:I would attend, but it is just too far. . . a six hour ride for me.

Believe me, I understand completely. I've talked to a few people that want to come, but are several hours away. If it were a rally in harrisburg that would be one thing. But something like this, I understand.

You or Justin should notify the State police, expressing concern for your safety from overzealous local police and notifying them that you have knowledge of a crime that is planned, enforcement of an illegal law. I'm convinced that their presence in Morrisville is what prevented city cops from enforcement of their bullshit "no firearms in the park" ordinance.

Last I knew he had called the state police, and explained it to them. He is waiting to hear back from the chief of police, but no word as of yet.

There should be multiple people video recording the event. Those people should not OC and should not interact with police. They should keep a great distance. Otherwise they risk being arrested themselves and camera taken, video destroyed.

There will be several people recording. We even plan on having people who won't be carrying, and will be off to the side trying to discretely record it.

If there are any arrests, I think lots of folks would be willing to donate. I certainly would. I find it hard to donate now to a defense fund that "might" happen. But if it does, I am committing now to help raising money from others, in addition to what I might donate myself.

The dense fund right now also includes a preemptive strike. I can't remember the term, but from what I understand it is a way to take them to court, to show that they plan on enforcing a law, and getting the courts to knock it down before hand.

ExcelToExcel;102221 Wrote:How much is the lawyer charging? Shouldn't be more than $500 to 1000 for a summary offence. He should be more than happy to do it for the resulting civil case.

That is what I was thinking too, but he wants a $4,000 retainer. I thought it was a little high too. Justin talked to him about doing it pro bono, and then getting paid out of any resulting lawsuit. But he said he wouldn't be able to do that. It's Josh Prince who we are working with.
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#17
Time to look for a new lawyer..
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#18
ExcelToExcel;102273 Wrote:Time to look for a new lawyer..

It has been suggested, by a few people. But it isn't my decision to make. I'm just trying to spread the word. Get people involved, maybe get a few more people to come.
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#19
ExcelToExcel;102273 Wrote:Time to look for a new lawyer..

Joshua Prince is one of the best. $4k is a lot of money, but then again, he does a lot of pro bono work. He can't do it all for free.

There is no reason to suggest that Justin find someone else. I think Justin is smart enough to understand that if he doesn't like the price, or can't afford it, he can shop around.

IMO, your comment brings nothing to thread and in fact undermines Connal's attempt to help raise money.
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#20
If you cannot afford to do it and no one is donating money then it's time to price shop or cancel your plans. I personally would just (like I did in limerick) walk into the park and if arrested be happy. I think people are hesitant about donating money because of these.

1. should easily be won

2. will probably not be needed no matter how stupid the town counsel is because the cops won't want to enforce it.

3. even if needed the lawyer will probably spend 1 hour max on the case plus about 2 hours commute and filing for $4k which seems astronomical (that is unless he promises to go through the appeals process too for that cash.)

4. the people who say they will participate might not even do so making the money donate go to waste..

Since I believe most people here aren't donating for one of the above reasons I would suggest going a more affordable route.
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