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Airgun Supressors
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I've been looking at some of these new .22 airguns at my local (PA) gun shop they're building these days and I'm rather astonished at the specs on some of these which are effectively almost the same as a basic single shot .22LR. Let me preface this by saying that I have no intent of actually buying one of these airguns. I've read the laws and in Delaware it says;

Quote:A person is guilty of unlawfully dealing with a dangerous weapon when:
(1) The person possesses, sells or in any manner has control of:
a. A weapon which by compressed air or by spring discharges or projects a pellet, slug or bullet, except a B.B. or air gun which does not discharge or project a pellet or slug larger than a B.B. shot; or
b. A pellet, slug or bullet, intending that it be used in any weapon prohibited by paragraph (1)a. of this section;


"Larger than a BB" is rather amorphous wording in my book especially with Airsoft being so popular. On a side note after reading the laws I'm seriously wondering if non 4.5mm Airsoft guns are even legal (or technically even Nerf guns for that matter under that phrasing Dodgy!) in Delaware even though they sell them here all over the place. Either way, I think it's safe to assume they mean larger than .177 by "larger than a BB" or at least I think that's how the court would see it, not in my favor.

So long story short.... in the people's Republic of Delaware no .22 airguns for me...Anyway now that that is settled, my question is to those who live in a free state where assault BB guns have yet to be banned. Rolleyes

I know very little about suppressors beyond how they work, but I see that a lot of the new supersonic air rifles both .22 and .177 actually have integral suppressors on them. I'm wondering if there's a reason I'm only seeing integral suppressors because the companies are trying to cover their asses and make sure someone doesn't try to mount one on a "real" .22 or if there is some law that says you can't have a detachable suppressor on an air rifle, which thus far I haven't seen. I can understand why I would be seeing them on the .22s, but even in .177 (4.5mm) they're all integral too. My other question is, how long do you guys think before one of these suppressed .22 air rifles makes it on TV and the media plays it up as a legal "assassin's tool" and then ATF gets wind and starts to try to ban them? Would you consider owning one of these integrally suppressed airguns and also firearms? For me the risk of it causing a problem I think is too high even if it's legal in your own state.
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Emoticon;125387 Wrote:I know very little about suppressors beyond how they work, but I see that a lot of the new supersonic air rifles both .22 and .177 actually have integral suppressors on them. I'm wondering if there's a reason I'm only seeing integral suppressors because the companies are trying to cover their asses and make sure someone doesn't try to mount one on a "real" .22 or if there is some law that says you can't have a detachable suppressor on an air rifle, which thus far I haven't seen.

As I was told, according to the ATF a suppressor is a suppressor regardless of the intended host. A detachable air rifle suppressor would require a tax stamp the same as anything else. *APPARENTLY* there is some sort of exemption for integral suppressors. Again, this is what I was told when I asked a local dealer, I never bothered to look it up or fact check.
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csmith;125413 Wrote:
Emoticon;125387 Wrote:I know very little about suppressors beyond how they work, but I see that a lot of the new supersonic air rifles both .22 and .177 actually have integral suppressors on them. I'm wondering if there's a reason I'm only seeing integral suppressors because the companies are trying to cover their asses and make sure someone doesn't try to mount one on a "real" .22 or if there is some law that says you can't have a detachable suppressor on an air rifle, which thus far I haven't seen.

As I was told, according to the ATF a suppressor is a suppressor regardless of the intended host. A detachable air rifle suppressor would require a tax stamp the same as anything else. *APPARENTLY* there is some sort of exemption for integral suppressors. Again, this is what I was told when I asked a local dealer, I never bothered to look it up or fact check.

From the BATF.....

M30) Are Paintball and/or Airgun
Sound Suppressers NFA firearms?
The terms "firearm silencer" and
"firearm muffler" mean any device for
silencing, muffling, or diminishing the
report of a portable firearm, including
any combination of parts, designed or
redesigned, and intended for use in
assembling or fabricating a firearm
silencer or firearm muffler, and any
part intended only for use in such
assembly or fabrication.
Numerous paintball and airgun silencers
tested by ATF’s Firearms
Technology Branch have been determined
to be, by nature of their design
and function, firearm silencers.
Because silencers are NFA weapons,
an individual wishing to manufacture
or transfer such a silencer must receive
prior approval from ATF and
pay the required tax. See Questions
M15 and 16 for application details.
If I have any further questions as
to the classification of a paintball
or airgun silencer, who should I
contact?
Please send a written request to
ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch.
[18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a),
27 CFR 479.11]
Thanks, George

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Wait, an airgun is a firearm now???

Quote:The term “firearm” is defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), to include (A) any weapon (including a starter gun), which will, or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon….

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearm...regulation
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Mr_Gixxer;143693 Wrote:In response to above post...



Wait, an airgun is a firearm now???

Quote:The term “firearm” is defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), to include (A) any weapon (including a starter gun), which will, or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon….

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearm...regulation

They do not say that airguns are firearms. "Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers."

I'm guessing that they think the suppressor could be put on a firearm.
Thanks, George

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thundrr1;144487 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;143693 Wrote:In response to above post...



Wait, an airgun is a firearm now???


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearm...regulation

They do not say that airguns are firearms. "Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers."

I'm guessing that they think the suppressor could be put on a firearm.
I get what you're saying. Kind of. Maybe intent has something to do with it.

For example. If i have an AK patterned air soft rifle and an AK pistol, it doesn't mean I am constructing a SBR.
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thundrr1;144487 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;143693 Wrote:In response to above post...



Wait, an airgun is a firearm now???


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearm...regulation

They do not say that airguns are firearms. "Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers."

I'm guessing that they think the suppressor could be put on a firearm.


My understanding is that airgun suppressors are permanently attached to the airgun.
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