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American Rifle & Pistol Association: A Responsible Alternative to the NRA-ILA?
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So, is this gonna be free of Ted Nugent?

Also I wonder where they on things like microstamping, etc. which manufacturers hate but wouldn't necessarily reduce demand for firearms/ammo?


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/A_new_...i-NRA.html

Frank Kummer, PHILLY.COM
LAST UPDATED: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 7:17 AM
A new gun-rights group, billing itself as a “responsible” version of the NRA not beholden to firearms manufacturers, is set to launch officially July 4.

The American Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc. (amriflepistol.com), was formed earlier this year by a group of business executives from Austin, Texas, to support second-amendment rights, and will have a nonprofit arm for educational purposes.

But the group, which also bills itself as R + P, says its goal is also to seek public safety solutions and a reduction in violent crime in wake of the shooting of school children in Newtown last year.

R + P says it is recognizes, “the urgent need for a fresh, new, independent voice” for a “sane” use of firearms. The group says it is promoting its ‘SANE’ system, an acronym for safety, advocacy, networking, and education for both gun owners and non-gun owners.

“Historically, the Nation Rifle Association (NRA) has been the most vocal organization on behalf of gun rights,” says a press release from the new group. “However, it is debatable as to whether or not their members’ voices are truly being heard. It is therefore central to R+P’s mission to promote a new collaborative forum where each member’s voice is not only heard, but also commands respect and action.”

Robert Gelinas, president of the American Rifle and Pistol Association, and CEO of AppXoft, said the group’s goal is to offer an independent “third voice” the increasingly polarized national conversation about firearms, with the belief that the NRA is speaking primarily for firearms manufacturers and not, the “90% of responsible gun owners.”

Among the group's core principals, it says, is that "any and all restrictions (even if sensible)" are automatically opposed by groups such as the NRA. Rather, the group believes that, "optimal firearms management solutions can exist where genuine gun rights are protected while public safety is assured."

R + P says it is bipartisan.
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#2
The founder and chairman seems to be a NYC area IT weenie who has moved to Austin Tx. at least as far as his LinkedIn profile is concerned.
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#3
Their statement of principals is enough to keep me away. They use a lot of the right words but not in the right way if you know what I mean. That stuff and the fact that a google search for most of the members of the board comes up blank. This has the feel of that group of "hunters" who came out to support Kerry back when he was running for President.
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The entire premise lacks any evidence. Just HOW is the NRA "irresponsible?"
I was on the NRA Board of Directors back in the day (1992 - 1998). We tried to move NRA too quickly into taking the "line in the sand" approach that it took this year. What's 20 years between friends?
NRA, in my opinion, was finally "responsible" to the membership, taking a principled, constitutional stand against fraudulent, dysfunctional, and invasive gun control proposals in the wake of Aurora and Newtown. NRA stood firm against an hysterical bum's rush by those looking for an excuse to attack the Second Amendment, not to solve any problems; demanding evidence, reason, and analysis.
This organization's (ARPA) approach doesn't pass the smell test, to me. They assume that which they must prove/convince. They are trying to see how gullible/uncritical we are, like the antis.
It's the Constitution, Stupid! Use your head. When something is enshrined in the constitution, certain policy issues are no longer on the table, and certain adjectives like "responsible" are inapplicable. The constitution requires that the government show necessity, focus, functionality, and narrowness in order to avoid impact on the underlying right. ARPA has it backwards and upside down, upfront.[/size][/font]
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#5
I agree with David.

It just doesn't feel right. Looking through their information, and trying to look for more information. It just . . seems off.
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#6
The "sane" use of firearms? "Sensible" restrictions? Ha! Busted. These fucking people are counting on dumb people to not catch the fine print. Like how MAIG only wants to go after "illegal" guns.

Complete and utter horseshit.
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#7
Mmm. I'm suspicious too. Although I am interested in a gun org. that rebukes stereotypes which the NRA encourages.

Like... A "reason.com" gun org where the board and its leadership makes intellectually sanguine arguments, and less "cold dead hands" (we all know where that came from) or worse... "the reason why we have the 2nd is because someday we may need to shoot Congress" kinda BS.

Perhaps a gun org led by gun lawyers who are willing to stand up to the antis in a media-blitz kinda way and deliver skillful rebukes and attacks of antis on intellectually convincing merits.

Because the newspapers can't do it.
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ArcticSplash;108493 Wrote:Mmm. I'm suspicious too. Although I am interested in a gun org. that rebukes stereotypes which the NRA encourages.

Like... A "reason.com" gun org where the board and its leadership makes intellectually sanguine arguments, and less "cold dead hands" (we all know where that came from) or worse... "the reason why we have the 2nd is because someday we may need to shoot Congress" kinda BS.

Perhaps a gun org led by gun lawyers who are willing to stand up to the antis in a media-blitz kinda way and deliver skillful rebukes and attacks of antis on intellectually convincing merits.

Because the newspapers won't do it.

FIFY
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#9
Let's dilute the lobbying power of the one big group we have in our camp...real smart.

Of course Philthy.com would post stupidity like this on their site. The gullible and "desperate to be different" will most likely be the only ones suckered into joining it. Their comments section bares this out.....
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#10
What's so bad about Ted nugent?
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