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What an incredibly informative video. Thanks for sharing!

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39Flathead;47832 Wrote:
LifeInPa;47685 Wrote:Knowing this maybe a metal chest might be a wise idea for ammo storage?

Actually, a heavy wooden chest might be better as it can take a while to burn through and the wood might actually insulate the ammo inside from the heat.

Blackpowder is recommended to be stored in a heavy wooden chest.

I know a guy that stores his ammo in an old fridge. Easy to add a simple lock to keep kids out.
Put a desiccant pack inside or better yet a golden rod.

I've never seen a structure fire where the contents of the fridge caught fire.

That's a new concept for me, I didn't think a wooden chest would be a good idea at all. It's too bad that wooden chest aren't a common item anymore. It will be harder to find one and a new one will probably cost a good amount of money.

Warpt762x39;47847 Wrote:Find an older cooler with a lock on it. Works about the same as the wooden crate.

That's a good idea too.
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LifeInPa;47903 Wrote:
39Flathead;47832 Wrote:Actually, a heavy wooden chest might be better as it can take a while to burn through and the wood might actually insulate the ammo inside from the heat.

Blackpowder is recommended to be stored in a heavy wooden chest.

I know a guy that stores his ammo in an old fridge. Easy to add a simple lock to keep kids out.
Put a desiccant pack inside or better yet a golden rod.

I've never seen a structure fire where the contents of the fridge caught fire.

That's a new concept for me, I didn't think a wooden chest would be a good idea at all. It's too bad that wooden chest aren't a common item anymore. It will be harder to find one and a new one will probably cost a good amount of money.
Warpt762x39;47847 Wrote:Find an older cooler with a lock on it. Works about the same as the wooden crate.

That's a good idea too.

Dude, you got a hammer and saw? Just build one. TongueBig Grin
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mpan72;47909 Wrote:
LifeInPa;47903 Wrote:That's a new concept for me, I didn't think a wooden chest would be a good idea at all. It's too bad that wooden chest aren't a common item anymore. It will be harder to find one and a new one will probably cost a good amount of money.

That's a good idea too.

Dude, you got a hammer and saw? Just build one. TongueBig Grin

Me? LOL, the damn thing would collapse in on itself.
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#25
The refrigerator sounds promising but it could still be risky unless you build in a weak spot to vent off pressure if it would get hot enough for ignition.

One of the reasons wooden crates are recommended, perhaps the main reason, is that they will give way to excess pressure much easier than a sealed metal container. Even so, they should be made with at least one weak side that will easily give way to internal pressure. The recommended wooden crates are built with a weak side that is supposed to blow out easily to prevent extreme pressure buildup inside the container. If it would get hot enough to start detonating ammo, powder, primers or especially black powder there will be massive expansion of the gasses from the burning powder. If that's too tightly contained you'll literally have a bomb.
Individual rounds going off due to heat aren't very damaging because the gas escapes because it isn't tightly contained like it would be in the chamber of a gun. It's the containment of pressure that makes it go BANG instead of pop or pffft.

Depending on the quantity of powder stored It could also be in violation of code (and or law?):

Quote:Ignited stored powder can raise pressure within the storage area, thus there are specific requirements for keeping powder on hand. The first of these is never to transfer any propellant from its original container, which is designed to burst or partially open at a very low pressure. Some containers will simply have their cap pushed off if the contents are ignited. This will then allow for all the gasses to be vented from the container. (keeping powder in the original container is also essential for the proper identification of the propellant).
Source:
http://www.reloadbench.com/gloss/storage2.html



Quote:Storage cabinets should be constructed of insulating materials and
with a weak wall, seams or joints to provide an easy means of selfventing.

11-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities
not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original
containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not
exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences
where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least
1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness.

And the disclaimer from the second source:
Quote:Reprinted with permission from NFPA 495: Explosive Material Code,
Copyright 1996, National Fire Protection Association, Quincy, MA
02269. This reprinted material is not the complete and official position
of the National Fire Protection Association on the referenced subject
which is represented only by the standard in its entirety.

Source:
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_...Powder.pdf

Please click on the links provided, it might even be worthy of bookmarking them for some people who are getting into reloading and want to stock up before supplies get scarce.
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