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Another parent arrested at a school board meeting...
#11
Camper;142836 Wrote:But the take away here is that adults can distribute explicitly graphic sexual material to underage children so long as they call it 'educational' and make the student write about it Wink

Double meh! Many of those who are morally outraged would love to see the bible, with all it's gory details, read daily in school.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#12
The bottom line is that it is inappropriate for younger kids. Not that it's over-the-top bad, but some parents actually give 2 shits what their kids are exposed to. We can't stop it all, but when graphic depictions of sex are handed out as required reading, one has to question the WHY. Obviously some teacher could have thought nothing of those 2 paragraphs... but imagine the mental image that puts into an impressionable kid.

It's not about what YOU think is right for that guy's kid, it's about what he thinks is right. He pays his taxes and sends his kid to school under the assumption that the school will make proper judgements on curriculum. Graphic depictions of sex in a literary format should not be part of that unless the passages in question are pointed out to the parents prior to promoting the reading materials.

Yeah, this may be a small issue in the overall scheme, but it's just one more step in the push to remove parents from a child's upbringing. This guy had a problem with that and decided that 2 minutes wasn't enough time to get his point across.
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#13
Dave;142838 Wrote:
Camper;142836 Wrote:But the take away here is that adults can distribute explicitly graphic sexual material to underage children so long as they call it 'educational' and make the student write about it Wink

Double meh! Many of those who are morally outraged would love to see the bible, with all it's gory details, read daily in school.

Fair point, but even that would be far less graphic then what this book in question is depicting.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#14
ExcelToExcel;142827 Wrote:I don't have a problem with it. The bible has some rather strong sexual themes too. Don't like it? You can always do the right thing and school your own kids, why make the rest of us do it? You could also send then to a private school of your own choosing and cough of the dough for your responsibility.

Time for parents to live up to their responsibility.

The parent was living up to his responsibility. There was something he did not like, so he got involved and took his concerns to the school board. Better than just sitting back and not getting involved in your child's education figuring others should decide everything without your input.

As far as coughing up the dough, I am willing to bet the parent has been coughing up the dough for years in the form of school taxes. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of your forced investment and not wanting to pay out more money to send your kids to school on top of what you already pay in taxes.
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steelcityk9cop;142830 Wrote:
das;142819 Wrote:Megyn Kelley did a report on this tonight. That man did nothing wrong. He was arrested for DISORDERLY CONDUCT for going over the 2 min. time allowed. This is the kind of shit that goes on with these school boards. In the past they needed parental consent to let the students read this now they just assign it. I wouldnt be happy if my kids HAD to read this stuff either.

That's how public meetings work.. you have a specified amount of time to speak and when your time is over you must stop. When you go over they ask you to stop...a bunch of times... and when you continue to refuse and disrupt the meeting you get arrested. We live in a society of rules.
HE was interrupted during his 2mins by another parent so he simply kept speaking after the 2 mins were up. Is there really a need to cuff him and arrest him for that. He wasnt violent or even loud about it.
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#16
Triple Meh Tongue

There are usually different types of school board meetings including the type where questions can be asked. This appeared to be a business meeting where only comments were allowed. I get why he was annoyed, I would have been too but we are not supposed to be ruled by hissy fits and grand standing.

Do I think he should have been arrested? Absolutely not. Ushered out? Yeah, maybe if he was not following the rules. He seemed smart and well educated – talents he should have used to make real change instead of just making a point. And if all else failed he could also run for school board to slay the beast from within.
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#17
Inappropriate for 14 year olds. Also borderline approving of abusing a woman...teaching girls it's romantic to have a rough guy, regardless of their personal preferences. Of the context isn't there to say if the girl approved of the rough treatment she was being given.

And yes, only 25 years ago this content would have gotten a 14 year old boy in big trouble at school....times are changing, and not in the least for the good.

Camper;142841 Wrote:
Dave;142838 Wrote:Double meh! Many of those who are morally outraged would love to see the bible, with all it's gory details, read daily in school.

Fair point, but even that would be far less graphic then what this book in question is depicting.

Absolutely less graphic.
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#18
I was just as upset about how the girl was treated as to the graphic sex. It's definitely not an appropriate required book for that age, but would be okay for older kids where all the issues could be discussed. I probably would've met with the teacher and principal to see if there wasn't another book that could meet the curriculum expectations. Asking to move that book to another list of recommended (with graphic warning) rather than required reading would've been an option. Censoring attempts never go well. They usually end up adversarial.

Absent the ability to change the curriculum immediately, I would've read the entire book so that I could discuss it with my child and contrast the behavior in the book with our values and reasoning. I've done that many times over the years my girls were in school. I actually read every book they did. I discovered some really good books that way (and a few that were simply okay), but reading content was always an open discussion in our house.

RugerGirl;142859 Wrote:Inappropriate for 14 year olds. Also borderline approving of abusing a woman...teaching girls it's romantic to have a rough guy, regardless of their personal preferences. Of the context isn't there to say if the girl approved of the rough treatment she was being given.

And yes, only 25 years ago this content would have gotten a 14 year old boy in big trouble at school....times are changing, and not in the least for the good.

Camper;142841 Wrote:Fair point, but even that would be far less graphic then what this book in question is depicting.

Absolutely less graphic.
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Dave;142850 Wrote:Do I think he should have been arrested? Absolutely not. Ushered out? Yeah, maybe if he was not following the rules. He seemed smart and well educated – talents he should have used to make real change instead of just making a point. And if all else failed he could also run for school board to slay the beast from within.

I'm with you here again, ushered out is not unreasonable while arrested IMHO is.

Who knows, maybe now that he's been publicly humiliated and made a national spectacle it will spur him to do what he should have done from the start--get on the board. Though I suspect he won't, because if the town is liberal leaning they will not elect someone who isn't.

Which leads to another point, perhaps this outlet and acting the way he did may be the ONLY thing he can really do, short of pulling his kids out of school and sending them a private one or homeschooling.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#20
Do we know if he's been involved in facing the school committee prior to this? As someone who was on the school committee and acted as chairman/moderator at these types of meetings, it was not uncommon for the same people to show up and push the limits. I still would not have had him arrested unless he got physical. Removing him from the meeting would suffice. Usually, once that is done, they follow the rules thereafter.

As for your comment that the town may not elect someone as conservative, that's not necessarily true. School committee elections usually (at least in MA) involve more than one spot at a time. Getting your point out there in an articulate way goes far. People are often looking for someone to represent them, and yet often they only see a bunch of names and know nothing about the candidates. Make sure they know about you!

Homeschooling is an option. I heartily supported public education 20 years ago for my kids. It shifted slightly as they got older and things changed. All of my grandkids are now homeschooled for different reasons in each family. While I know it will impact public schools negatively to have the cream of the crop (behavior/values/etc.) removed from the schools, I don't blame parents for not wanting to sacrifice their children when childhood is a vital and fleeting stage of life.
Camper;142870 Wrote:
Dave;142850 Wrote:Do I think he should have been arrested? Absolutely not. Ushered out? Yeah, maybe if he was not following the rules. He seemed smart and well educated – talents he should have used to make real change instead of just making a point. And if all else failed he could also run for school board to slay the beast from within.

I'm with you here again, ushered out is not unreasonable while arrested IMHO is.

Who knows, maybe now that he's been publicly humiliated and made a national spectacle it will spur him to do what he should have done from the start--get on the board. Though I suspect he won't, because if the town is liberal leaning they will not elect someone who isn't.

Which leads to another point, perhaps this outlet and acting the way he did may be the ONLY thing he can really do, short of pulling his kids out of school and sending them a private one or homeschooling.
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