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AR Pistol vs SBR
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Default AR Pistol vs SBR
Ok, so I've been looking at posts on various boards, and here's what I'm coming up with.

For an AR pistol:
-Barrel length shorter than 16" from tip of the threads to the receiver.
-Barrel length does not include muzzle device, unless muzzle device is permanently fixed.
-Overall length must be within 26", or it will fall under "firearm" instead of "pistol", but will NOT be subject to NFA.
-CANNOT have a stock fixed to the lower receiver.
-The Sig SB15 brace does NOT constitute a stock.
-CANNOT have a vertical foregrip or it will constitute a Any Other Weapon (AOW) and thus be subject to NFA.
-A Magpul Angled Forgrip (AFG) IS permissible and will not make the pistol an AOW.
-Classified as a pistol, doesn't require CLEO signoff, and not subject to NFA.

For an SBR:
-Barrel length shorter than 16", like above.
-Has a stock attached to the lower receiver.
-Must file Form 1 paperwork and pay the $200 tax stamp.
-CLEO signoff on paperwork.

So... if I wanted to build an AR pistol from the ground up, I get a stripped lower, get a pistol lower kit, and throw on an upper with a barrel that's less than 16". As long as the OAL is less than 26", I'm good. I can add an SB15 stock and an AFG if I wanted, and I'm good. Viola, AR pistol with a fair lengthed barrel and the compactness of an SBR, as well as the controlability of a rifle.

No CLEO signature, NFA paperwork, extra $200, or 9 month wait.

Did I get that right?

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#2
Sounds good to me.

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#3
This isn't a project I'll be starting anytime soon; I'm just making sure I have an understanding of things before I do start. I'm also pricing things out to see what this'll cost me and what my options are.

It looks like I'll be going to Palmetto State Armory again, unless y'all know of better deals.

PSA blemished stripped lower: $49.99
PSA lower pistol kit: $99.99
PSA 14.7" CHF Mid-length Lightweight - Unpinned - Without BCG or Charging Handle: $279.99
PSA bolt carrier group and charging handle combo: $99.99
Sig SB15 brace: $129.99
Primary Arms Microdot: $119.99

Total estimated cost: $780

Now to get fancy, and totally unnecessary:
YHM 9.200" Smooth Forearm (A-frame cutout): $154.00

Total estimated cost: $934

Now there is a chance to get a PSA pistol lower with a SB15 brace for a little less, which shaves off about $10.

Factor in shipping and transfer fees, and it's likely going to be right under $1,000. All that without dealing with NFA laws, paperwork, or tax stamp.



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PSA AR-15 completed lower: $149.99
PSA 14.7" CHF Mid-length Lightweight - Unpinned - Without BCG or Charging Handle: $279.99
PSA bolt carrier group and charging handle combo: $99.99
Primary Arms Microdot: $119.99
Tax Stamp: $200

Estimated Total: $850

And, of course, I /would/ add a rail to it. So...
YHM Rail: $154.00

Estimated Total: $1,004

And that's before shipping and transfer fees and waiting.

I think I know what I'll be doing in the future.

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#4
And this is why posting on forums is great... someone found this.

Radical Firearms 10.5", quad rail, and SB15 brace
: $599.99

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#5
Those rails make the gun a lot heavier. My 300 AAC pistol came with one and I put one on my 5.56 pistol build, then quickly replaced it with an SL handguard. The Sig brace does not give as much support as a true stock. That being said, I don't plan on losing my Sig brace anytime soon for a $200 stamp.
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#6
Your understanding of the differences is correct. With the Sig brace, I'm not sure that there's a reason to deal with the atf anymore if you want an sbr, that's not an sbr.

Plus, you don't have to engrave anything.

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#7
The Brace certainly is a game changer but I still don’t find them all that comfortable. I went with a SBR because I had an extra lower sitting around and was in no hurry when I sent off the paperwork. Bucks signs off and the rest was not that much of an annoyance. I almost forgot about it when the finally stamp came.

If I was doing it again today I would most likely do the very same but going the pistol / brace route is at least an option. You could also go that route and then send off the paperwork without any sense of urgency.

It may be just me but I don't find the AR pistol that enjoyable to shoot, brace or no brace. It helps but nothing like a 'normal' stock on a SBR.
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#8
ShaulWolf;154910 Wrote:-Overall length must be within 26", or it will fall under "firearm" instead of "pistol", but will NOT be subject to NFA.

Not sure where you are getting that. There is no federal OAL requirement for pistols that I know of. In PA, any gun with an OAL less than 26" is considered a "firearm."
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bac0nfat;154923 Wrote:
ShaulWolf;154910 Wrote:-Overall length must be within 26", or it will fall under "firearm" instead of "pistol", but will NOT be subject to NFA.

Not sure where you are getting that. There is no federal OAL requirement for pistols that I know of. In PA, any gun with an OAL less than 26" is considered a "firearm."

That's why I'm trying to get some clarification. I wasn't sure if that was a law specific to that person's state (with a similar one in PA), or if it was a federal one.

In any case, the AR pistol offered by Primary Arms pretty much has everything I'm looking for, and at a lower cost than what I had to put it together myself. I still won't be able to pull the trigger on it for a year or two, but it's good to know that it's out there and that it's reasonably priced.

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#10
I keep seeing people doing the pistol builds with the brace. I don't know why but the AR as a pistol just doesn't do it for me. If at all possible try to find somebody out there with one so you can give it a try and see if you like it. I certainly see the appeal of saving the $200 and not having to jump through hoops but for me at least it was worth it to get a SBR.
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