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Armed task force to patrol streets
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Arkansas

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File photo- PPD Chief Todd Stovall said armed officers in SWAT gear would soon be patrolling city streets in high crime areas, going as far as asking people walking down the street for identification and a reason for their presence.


Police chief says citizens could be subject to ID checks
By Ryan Saylor



Published: Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:05 PM CST

In response to a recent increase in crime, Paragould Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd Stovall offered residents at a town hall meeting Thursday night at West View Baptist Church what could be considered an extreme solution — armed officers patrolling the streets on foot.

Stovall told the group of almost 40 residents that beginning in 2013, the department would deploy a new street crimes unit to high crime areas on foot to take back the streets.

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."

Gaskill backed Stovall's proposed actions during Thursday's town hall.


"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Stovall said the foot patrols would begin on the east side of town and would eventually snake into the Pecan Grove area.

He said the police would follow where crime was taking place in order to snuff it out.

Normally, police would not stop individuals for simply walking on the street, but Stovall said the level of crime in certain areas and concerns from residents gave his officers the right to institute the actions announced at the town hall event.

"This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this," he said. "It allows us to do what we're fixing to do."

Stovall further elaborated on the stop-and-ID policy Friday morning, claiming the city's crime statistics alone met the threshold of reasonable suspicion required to lawfully accost a citizen.

"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said.

"Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out.

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#2
Completly over the reset line. If this comes to pass and the residents of the area don't stand up and demand it stops we are doomed across the country. Plain and simple it will be over before it even starts.
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I thought Philly already passed a law a few years ago that they were allowed to stop and demand ID from anyone in Philadelphia at any time.....and even do a basic search? Or did that not go through?
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RugerGirl;54203 Wrote:I thought Philly already passed a law a few years ago that they were allowed to stop and demand ID from anyone in Philadelphia at any time.....and even do a basic search? Or did that not go through?

"Stop and Frisk" also known as "ped stops" are still implemented several times throughout the day, every day in Philly. I have no idea how they are not a direct violation of our 4th Amendment rights, but the Supreme Court disagrees. See Terry v. Ohio

Quote:Synopsis of Rule of Law. An officer may perform a search for weapons without a warrant, even without probable cause, when the officer reasonably believes that the person may be armed and dangerous.
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Middlefinger, post up the link. I'd like to read the story at the original site.

Quote:Stovall said the foot patrols would begin on the east side of town and would eventually snake into the Pecan Grove area.

He said the police would follow where crime was taking place in order to snuff it out.

Oh, I see. Next it will be where they think crime might take place, and then it will be everywhere.

Well, then,. by all means, please carry the f on.
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Quote:We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."

And as a law abiding citizen, I don't like being talked to and bothered for doing nothing wrong.

Quote:"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

This sounds like something they do in China, Russia, and the former-East Germany and Nazi Germany.

Quote:To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said.

"Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out."

I hope somebody you stop lawyers up and sues the hell out of your department.
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Paragould, Arkansas.

http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/arcode/Default.asp

Ark. Code Ann. §5-71-213(a)(1) (loitering)

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer;

(2) Refuses to identify himself or herself; or

(3) Manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object.

© Unless flight by the actor or another circumstance makes it impracticable, prior to an arrest for an offense under subdivision (a)(1) of this section a law enforcement officer shall afford the actor an opportunity to dispel any alarm that would otherwise be warranted by requesting the actor to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct.

(d) It is a defense to a prosecution under subdivision (a)(1) of this section if:

(1) The law enforcement officer did not afford the defendant an opportunity to identify himself or herself and explain his or presence and conduct; or

(2) It appears at trial that an explanation given by the defendant to the law enforcement officer was true and, if believed by the law enforcement officer at that time, would have dispelled the alarm.

(e) Loitering is a Class C misdemeanor.
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RugerGirl;54203 Wrote:I thought Philly already passed a law a few years ago that they were allowed to stop and demand ID from anyone in Philadelphia at any time.....and even do a basic search? Or did that not go through?


This is two programs you're referring to. One is the LiveStop program, which is controversial, the other is Stop-And-Frisk, which is EXTREMELY controversial but it was praised by Michael Bloomberg (those who have standing as liberals are extremely divided over this... the liberals who have no problem giving up their personal freedoms are contrasted with other liberals who are crying racism):
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/12/us/sto...d=all&_r=0


LiveStop takes any small infraction and uses it as a complete thorough investigative search, even all the way up to a PICS check. LiveStop only applies to suspects driving motor vehicles, not pedestrians. Broken tail-light on your car, too much tint on the windows, your car tires touching the lane stripes--anything of a very small nature will cause you to be detained. While being detained, a warrant scan is performed looking for any outstanding warrants.

Stop-And-Frisk takes LiveStop to a new level. Now you're searched as well as detained while being scanned. And Stop-And-Frisk applies to everyone in the public realm, not just those in vehicles.

The outcry has been severe in black neighborhoods especially from those who have active or previous brutality claims against the Philadelphia Police.

However the program has survived court challenge thusfar.



The LiveStop program (not Stop And Frisk) was the subject of a very bad police stop gone wrong, with FOX29 hovering over the scene documenting a serious beat-down by Philadelphia Police against a shooting suspect and two accomplices. The officers were in search of shooters suspected of killing a Philadelphia Police Officer.

Some armchair veterans suggest that recent incident helped fuel police rage.


Either way, the 3 suspects who were beaten were acquitted later in court:
http://hiphopwired.com/2009/07/02/philly...f-charges/

Pete Hopkins, one of the 3 suspects who was beaten... met the Fucked Fickle Finger of Fate later on... he was shot in cold blood outside a bar in West Kensington:
http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/phil...=150453355

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#9
Shouldn't the police be working to prevent crime?

I like this idea, but instead. Lets arm the civilians and have them guard their own neighborhoods. That way the police can earn they pay rather than walking around town with their chests puffed out.
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#10
Neighborhood watch. Could we check id's too? That would probably be racist.Big Grin
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