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ATF reduces due process for seizing firearms
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The Obama administration is making it easier for bureaucrats to take away guns without offering the accused any realistic due process. In a final rule published last week, the Justice Department granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” That means government can grab firearms and other property from someone who has never been convicted or even charged with any crime.


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Couple that with the rhetoric that the feds have been making about "suspected domestic terrorists" and this is going to be very bad.
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When the founding fathers set up the U.S. they included the Bill of Rights to protect the people and make it difficult for the government to take away the rights of the people. Seems like the last 10 years have been an unabashed assault by the government to make the Bill of Rights obsolete. We need politicians who want to protect the people, not the government. Hey.... a person can dream.
Everytime we look the other way when someone else loses rights we disagree with, we make it easier to lose the rights we support.

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If i'm not mistaken, Ronald Reagan is the father of American property seizures.
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A lot of administrations have been guilty of infringing on peoples rights. The last two administrations have been on steroids with their assault on American freedoms. I was against the Patriot Act when it was released during the Bush administration. Imo things have spiraled downhill since then for the Bill of Rights. No protest zones for example.
Everytime we look the other way when someone else loses rights we disagree with, we make it easier to lose the rights we support.

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(09-07-2012, 07:56 PM)Valorius Wrote: If i'm not mistaken, Ronald Reagan is the father of American property seizures.
Actually, Theodore Roosevelt and his gimp cousin FDR birthed that.

(09-07-2012, 08:15 PM)Internet troll Wrote: A lot of administrations have been guilty of infringing on peoples rights. The last two administrations have been on steroids with their assault on American freedoms. I was against the Patriot Act when it was released during the Bush administration. Imo things have spiraled downhill since then for the Bill of Rights. No protest zones for example.
Too true. Happened to the Indians, Japanese, soon us. All under the guise of "security".
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(09-07-2012, 11:41 PM)Spacemanvic Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:56 PM)Valorius Wrote: If i'm not mistaken, Ronald Reagan is the father of American property seizures.
Actually, Theodore Roosevelt and his gimp cousin FDR birthed that.

(09-07-2012, 08:15 PM)Internet troll Wrote: A lot of administrations have been guilty of infringing on peoples rights. The last two administrations have been on steroids with their assault on American freedoms. I was against the Patriot Act when it was released during the Bush administration. Imo things have spiraled downhill since then for the Bill of Rights. No protest zones for example.
Too true. Happened to the Indians, Japanese, soon us. All under the guise of "security".
Thats the key word, security, They keep useing that as a reason for taking away our rights little by little, and the sheep are so afraid of feeling unsafe they let it happen. Remember people want the government to solve all their problems. Bunch of pussies.

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People sit and discuss issues all the time . And when people do get up to be heard , along with the media , we bash them . We are brain washed so easily these days I don't know what to say. I say protest , Media
turns this into a negative every time and we agree .

Appeal to politicians at the local and state level and work your way up if it's not to late.
We appointed these people with our votes to be our voice and we're not getting through.

The only way to start now is to stop spending money. China ain't real happy with us either and can you blame them . Stop spending our money on other countries .

We all need to stop , regroup and figure out what we can do to force there submission. I thought they were supposed to work for us , we pay them. Just maybe now is the time to use all our prepping and cut them off . I don,t know , any body got a plan ? I'm 110% with you if you do !
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(09-07-2012, 07:48 PM)Internet troll Wrote: When the founding fathers set up the U.S. they included the Bill of Rights to protect the people and make it difficult for the government to take away the rights of the people. Seems like the last 10 years have been an unabashed assault by the government to make the Bill of Rights obsolete. We need politicians who want to protect the people, not the government. Hey.... a person can dream.
Just like the other thread with the antis doing anything and everything irrational, people are supporting this shit, not just small groups of people either.

(09-10-2012, 07:33 AM)cgbudde Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 11:41 PM)Spacemanvic Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:56 PM)Valorius Wrote: If i'm not mistaken, Ronald Reagan is the father of American property seizures.
Actually, Theodore Roosevelt and his gimp cousin FDR birthed that.

(09-07-2012, 08:15 PM)Internet troll Wrote: A lot of administrations have been guilty of infringing on peoples rights. The last two administrations have been on steroids with their assault on American freedoms. I was against the Patriot Act when it was released during the Bush administration. Imo things have spiraled downhill since then for the Bill of Rights. No protest zones for example.
Too true. Happened to the Indians, Japanese, soon us. All under the guise of "security".
Thats the key word, security, They keep useing that as a reason for taking away our rights little by little, and the sheep are so afraid of feeling unsafe they let it happen. Remember people want the government to solve all their problems. Bunch of pussies.
What scares me most is the current fixation (occupy) doesn't give two shits about rights. They want the government more involved, they want that security. They want the government to give them schooling, jobs, housing, transportation. They want communism. It's bad enough that the government is out there trying to do this stuff, but people are are actually BEGGING them to do it.
The law? The law is a human institution...
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(09-10-2012, 08:56 AM)csmith Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 07:48 PM)Internet troll Wrote: When the founding fathers set up the U.S. they included the Bill of Rights to protect the people and make it difficult for the government to take away the rights of the people. Seems like the last 10 years have been an unabashed assault by the government to make the Bill of Rights obsolete. We need politicians who want to protect the people, not the government. Hey.... a person can dream.
Just like the other thread with the antis doing anything and everything irrational, people are supporting this shit, not just small groups of people either.

(09-10-2012, 07:33 AM)cgbudde Wrote:
(09-07-2012, 11:41 PM)Spacemanvic Wrote: Actually, Theodore Roosevelt and his gimp cousin FDR birthed that.

Too true. Happened to the Indians, Japanese, soon us. All under the guise of "security".
Thats the key word, security, They keep useing that as a reason for taking away our rights little by little, and the sheep are so afraid of feeling unsafe they let it happen. Remember people want the government to solve all their problems. Bunch of pussies.
What scares me most is the current fixation (occupy) doesn't give two shits about rights. They want the government more involved, they want that security. They want the government to give them schooling, jobs, housing, transportation. They want communism. It's bad enough that the government is out there trying to do this stuff, but people are are actually BEGGING them to do it.
I agree with you and I applaud their efforts and risk taking because misled and unguided, they are still doing more than we are . What are "WE" gonna do ? When are we gonna walk away from our key pads and do something ? Know this though , even though it is the right path , you will be met with the same scrutiny as the (occupy)! Now what ?
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