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sgtsandman;170719 Wrote:If you have the money and a tax stamp, you can own a canon too. Unless it's made before a certain year, then you don't have to.

Huh
Why do you need a stamp for a cannon?
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#12
After a certain manufacturing year, they are a NFA item. Sometime in the 1800s.


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#13
P89;170736 Wrote:
sgtsandman;170719 Wrote:If you have the money and a tax stamp, you can own a canon too. Unless it's made before a certain year, then you don't have to.

Huh
Why do you need a stamp for a cannon?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-1

Quote:Firearms - Guides - Importation & Verification of Firearms - National Firearms Act Definitions - Destructive Device

Firearms Verification
National Firearms Act Definitions
Destructive Device

26 U.S.C. § 5845(F)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Destructive Device” means:

A missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than 1/4 oz.

Any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be converted to expel a projectile, by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter.

A combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a device into a destructive device and from which a destructive device can be readily assembled.

Various destructive devices including a M79 grenade launcher, grenades, and artillery.

Exemptions:

A shotgun or shotgun shell which is determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

a device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon,

a device which is designed or redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line-throwing, safety, or similar device,

surplus ordnance sold, loaded, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to law such as antique, obsolete bronze or iron cannon,

a device which the Attorney General determines is not likely to be used as a weapon.

An antique firearm, or

a rifle which the owner intended to use solely for sporting purposes.
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#14
-JD-;170740 Wrote:
P89;170736 Wrote:Huh
Why do you need a stamp for a cannon?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-1

Quote:Firearms - Guides - Importation & Verification of Firearms - National Firearms Act Definitions - Destructive Device

Firearms Verification
National Firearms Act Definitions
Destructive Device

26 U.S.C. § 5845(F)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Destructive Device” means:

A missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than 1/4 oz.

Any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be converted to expel a projectile, by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter.

A combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a device into a destructive device and from which a destructive device can be readily assembled.

Various destructive devices including a M79 grenade launcher, grenades, and artillery.

Exemptions:

A shotgun or shotgun shell which is determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

a device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon,

a device which is designed or redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line-throwing, safety, or similar device,

surplus ordnance sold, loaded, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to law such as antique, obsolete bronze or iron cannon,

a device which the Attorney General determines is not likely to be used as a weapon.

An antique firearm, or

a rifle which the owner intended to use solely for sporting purposes.

I know.

Key words there.
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#15
RugerGirl;170722 Wrote:
sgtsandman;170719 Wrote:A rock can be an assault weapon. Ask Cain and Able. Assault weapon is a sensationalized misnomer created by the news media and anti-gun politicians. Assault is an action, not a name for a particular weapon.

And yes, full automatic weapons are legal if you have the money and purchase a tax stamp.

If you have the money and a tax stamp, you can own a canon too. Unless it's made before a certain year, then you don't have to.


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Ooooh. I want a cannon.

There is a local guy that makes scale replica black powder cannons, about a grand for one that shoots golfball sized projectiles.
They are about two and a half feet high, three feetish long.
We chanced one off at our last gun raffle, boy I wish I had one that thing.

I had a neighbor who has since moved to Montana that had a period Civil War cannon.
He rolled it out on New Years and would fire it off a couple times (just paper wad loads).
It would launch concrete filled pop cans 1000yds with ease though as we once found out.
Some people need to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936976021/ref=...jwbZH1GAZF

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Some random thoughts and descriptive narratives on "Assault Weapons":
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"Machine guns" are legal with the proper paperwork and cash in hand to afford one.

The California terrorist had an illegal under California law AR-15 semi automatic rifle as he did not have a Bullet Button installed.

Proof positive that when one wants to carry out jihad, they will ignore any law that stands in their way of doing so.

Liberals, asshats they are.
Some people need to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936976021/ref=...jwbZH1GAZF

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#17
Also, it seems many a journalist years ago associated the AR in AR15 to mean either Automatic Rifle or Assault Rifle, neither of which is correct, but as we all know, in journalism the truth is not relevant to the story, only what the journalist believes is relevant.

AR is Armalite Rifle.

The original assault rifle was the German Sturmgewehr 44, it was a select fire rifle chambered in an intermediate caliber.
Sturmgewehr means assault rifle.

It is the Armalite-15, not Sturmgewehr-15.

Also note that when a journalist calls an AR or AK a "high powered" or "large caliber" weapon, they are incorrect, but they are either too stupid to know so (as in the case of the insane thoughts on guns uttered by Bill O'Rielly who I have stopped watching due to his insane ideas on guns) or just don't care (as in the entire staffs of MSNBC and CNN).
AR's and AK's are not large caliber, the AR is .22 caliber and the AK while .30 caliber is not high powered, it is an intermediate caliber as far as power goes.

Some additional info from the NSSF:
http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm
Some people need to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936976021/ref=...jwbZH1GAZF

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#18
RugerGirl;170708 Wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong.....full auto weapons are illegal right?

Because the media keeps saying "assault weapons" and people assume that means full auto....but I think "assault weapon" just means scary black guns with long magazines, right?

I'll do it backwards, 2nd question first. You are correct. The media will say "assault weapon" no matter what type of rifle is used, it easier for them to induce the fear in people (see the post that "defines"Wink a machine gun or assault rifle and Glock). It is all media hype to brainwash the sheeple and advance the liberal agenda.

As for your 1st question; Fully automatic firearms are perfectly legal in PA. As long as you pass the BATFE background check (or have a trust set up) AND have the money to purchase one, you can own and shoot it.

That being said, the cheapest full auto (probably a 9mm MAC10) will set you back 4,000 to 5,000 dollars. An M-16 (a fully automatic or select fire AR-15) will run you $16,000 to $20,000, a H&K MP-5 will run $25K. The reason that full auto firearms are so expensive is that it is a closed market. As per GCA 86, the number of full auto firearms in civilian hands was set. That makes it a sellers market. If a full auto breaks, and cannot be fixed, the closed market has one less full auto that can be transferred.

The above being said, gun dealers with the correct licenses/taxes paid, can own post 1986 full auto firearms. Most are owned and used as demo models for police departments who are looking to add full autos to their armories. Others are used by companies that supply the movie industry with props, or have a rental business where "civilians" can rent them to shoot. I myself, being a FFL with the correct licenses, could own full autos if I got a police department to issue me a letter saying they wanted to test some full auto firearms for possible purchase. In this case, the full auto firearms would cost me what the manufactures would charge (a WHOLE lot less than the civilian market cost).
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