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Bill would close concealed carry loophole
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Quote:HARRISBURG -- Sen. Richard Alloway II, R-Chambersburg, said on Wednesday that he will introduce legislation to ease the application process for a license to carry a concealed firearm in the Philadelphia area.

Philadelphia has been aggressive in denying its residents concealed-carry permits, according to Alloway. Some Philly residents whose applications were rejected then applied successfully for a permit from the state of Florida. The states have a reciprocity agreement.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane closed the "Florida loophole" in February with a modified agreement with Florida.

"Our state's gun traffic and permits should never be bypassed," Kane said at the time in Philadelphia. "Closing this loophole shows that it is possible to swiftly implement common sense gun safety measures that protect our streets."

Alloway said Philadelphia has been denying its residents their constitutional rights in rejecting their applications to carry concealed permits.

"I guess it's simply because their anti-gun," said Alloway, chair of the Senate Game and Fisheries Committee. "I put this bill out there to start the dialogue and I'm interested in hearing from all sides on this."
Alloway's legislation would allow applicants to apply for a concealed-carry permit with a sheriff in an adjacent county. Under current law, applications must be submitted in the place where applicants live, either to the chief of police in a city of the first class or to their county sheriff.

"If a citizen feels Philadelphia is violating his or her rights, then I want to afford them the opportunity to go to an adjacent county and make application there, pay the fee and get the opportunity for a permit to carry," Alloway said.

Alloway said that even as a supporter of the Second Amendment he is not comfortable with another state issuing permits to Pennsylvania gun owners. "They should go through the process in our state," Alloway said.

More: http://www.publicopiniononline.com/local...oophole-pa
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As neat as this sounds, how bout just enforce existing laws which are being blatantly broken in Philly and several other counties? Seriously, this bill sounds great, but just like the gun control "debate", new laws really aren't what we need.
The law? The law is a human institution...
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csmith;106423 Wrote:As neat as this sounds, how bout just enforce existing laws which are being blatantly broken in Philly and several other counties? Seriously, this bill sounds great, but just like the gun control "debate", new laws really aren't what we need.

Like always, those laws aren't enforced because no one wants to take responsibility to enforce them, and there's no punishment for those that fail to do their jobs.

It should be the AG's office responsibility to ensure that each county is following the law, but since the AG is more interested in scoring political points, than actually doing their job (notice I didn't point to Kane, because every AG has allowed this to happen) nothing will ever change.

If you write to the Gov's office, or to the AG's office about a sheriff not following the law, the reply you get back will be that it doesn't fall under their jurisdiction and if you don't like it, vote the sheriff out of office. Except that doesn't work in Philthy because you can't remove the office of L&I. If this law meant anything, they'd remove the Philthy City of the First Class exception from the UFA and make it that the city cannot force people to go to the L&I office to get an LTCF and force them to do it through the Sheriff's office.
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streaker69;106424 Wrote:
csmith;106423 Wrote:As neat as this sounds, how bout just enforce existing laws which are being blatantly broken in Philly and several other counties? Seriously, this bill sounds great, but just like the gun control "debate", new laws really aren't what we need.

Like always, those laws aren't enforced because no one wants to take responsibility to enforce them, and there's no punishment for those that fail to do their jobs.

It should be the AG's office responsibility to ensure that each county is following the law, but since the AG is more interested in scoring political points, than actually doing their job (notice I didn't point to Kane, because every AG has allowed this to happen) nothing will ever change.

If you write to the Gov's office, or to the AG's office about a sheriff not following the law, the reply you get back will be that it doesn't fall under their jurisdiction and if you don't like it, vote the sheriff out of office. Except that doesn't work in Philthy because you can't remove the office of L&I. If this law meant anything, they'd remove the Philthy City of the First Class exception from the UFA and make it that the city cannot force people to go to the L&I office to get an LTCF and force them to do it through the Sheriff's office.

Could we start a kickstarter for a legal fund to take whomever to court over it? This idea popped into my head last night as I was falling asleep..
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If he is going to alter the current law he should just simply remove the second sentence of 6109(b) and not reword it with adjacent in its place.

Quote:18 Pa.C.S. § 6109. Licenses.

(b) Place of application.--An individual who is 21 years of age or older may apply to a sheriff for a
license to carry a firearm concealed on or about his person or in a vehicle within this Commonwealth.
If the applicant is a resident of this Commonwealth, he shall make application with the sheriff
of the county in which he resides or, if a resident of a city of the first class, with the chief of police of
that city.
The Second Amendment does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not infringe our right.
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None the less (to all previous answers) we should all call and write Alloway to show him we support this ... at least someone seems to be on our side.

Stop bitching about what should be and try to get behind what could be!
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So really?

101 views on this thread and a lousy 4 freaking responses?

WTF? Do you people not give a shit about YOUR rights and YOUR state?
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dc dalton;106462 Wrote:So really?

101 views on this thread and a lousy 4 freaking responses?

WTF? Do you people not give a shit about YOUR rights and YOUR state?

Take it easy man, there are plenty of members here who care greatly about their rights and are proactive about protecting them. I've met several of them on many different occasions. You can't look at the ratio of views to responses as a good indicator of how much we "care," because:

1. Many of the views are from bots
2. Some members may be focusing on other gun related issues at the current time
3. Some members may be acting on this issue without actually posting in the thread
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RUH ROH

the natives just found out about this:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...y#comments

"It pisses me off when I hear people from other parts of the state say Philadelphia is anti-gun or anti-Second Amendment," he said. "We are anti people that are carrying guns illegally on the streets of Philadelphia.

"It would be like me going around and trying to impose a tax on dairy farmers in agricultural parts of the state where those lawmakers are best equipped to handle the issue," he said. "You don't see Philadelphia legislators poking their nose in those issues. We would like the same reciprocity."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...zf0uZCz.99
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ArcticSplash;106477 Wrote:RUH ROH

the natives just found out about this:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...y#comments

"It pisses me off when I hear people from other parts of the state say Philadelphia is anti-gun or anti-Second Amendment," he said. "We are anti people that are carrying guns illegally on the streets of Philadelphia.

"It would be like me going around and trying to impose a tax on dairy farmers in agricultural parts of the state where those lawmakers are best equipped to handle the issue," he said. "You don't see Philadelphia legislators poking their nose in those issues. We would like the same reciprocity."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...zf0uZCz.99

While this bill would be a good idea, if they got rid of the so called "Character Clause" the loophole Philly and a few sheriff's use would close and we wouldn't need to butt in.
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