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BLOOMBERG: NRA DYING, AMERICANS WANT MORE GUN CONTROL
#11
Life member. Not always thrilled with them but no one plays on the national stage as well as them for gun rights. They're probably one of the top political advocacy/lobbying organizations in the US.
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Palerider;48106 Wrote:Life member. Not always thrilled with them but no one plays on the national stage as well as them for gun rights. They're probably one of the top political advocacy/lobbying organizations in the US.

Same here. Life Member.... and also not always on the same page, but you can't deny what they have done and accomplished for gun rights in this country.
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#13
Endowment member.

Like others have said, I don't always agree with their strategy or who they endorse, but I believe they still have our interests at heart.
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#14
I for one am tired of this creep overstepping his bounds. NYC has boundaries, and most outside of them want nothing to do with what goes on inside.
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nomad;48094 Wrote:I was a long time member of the nra, but they have become something like the unions anymore a bit to self serving. When they endorsed harry reed a few years back that was the last straw for me.

Endorsing Harry Reid was a good move for gun rights. He may not be a huge fan of guns but he is a useful idiot. If he were to lose an election, a rabid anti gunner like Schumer or Feinstein could become Senate Majority Leader. If you think Reid is bad, imagine a Senate run bu Chuckie Schumer.
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#16
unclejumbo;48097 Wrote:
twency;48088 Wrote:This is one of those cases where I'm unconvinced that the enemy of my enemy of my friend. The NRA as an organization, and individuals speaking for it or associated with it, have been too wobbly too often for my tastes.

This one's an oldie but a goodie:


I don't discount that there is a variety of opinions within the NRA. As I've said many times in the past, the NRA:

1) Knows how to play the political game. We've seen what "my way or the highway" gets.

2) They are the only gun rights group routinely cited as destroying political careers.

3) They are the only gun rights group routinely demonized by Bloomberg types.

4) There is no gun rights group that has done a tenth of what the NRA has to further our rights.

1) NRA does the "my way or the highway" game too, which is why some bills die and why there are open letters from State leaders (not just PA) lambasting NRA liasons for unprofessional conduct.

2) State-level groups kill political careers too, both in PA and elsewhere. Nationally, sure, there the NRA is king.

3) Fair point, at least as far as who Bloomberg targets routinely.

4) Dodgy Nationally sure. State-level groups in various states have records equal to or exceeding pro-gun accomplishments from the NRA on non-national issues.

...

I like the NRA on a lot of things, however I have issues with their liason here in PA because of what I've witnessed behind-the-scenes. Credit where credit is due, sure, and Bloomberg's statements are absurd, but the NRA is not king of everything and I completely understand why some will not join the NRA but join state-level groups instead.
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bigdawgbeav;48111 Wrote:
Palerider;48106 Wrote:Life member. Not always thrilled with them but no one plays on the national stage as well as them for gun rights. They're probably one of the top political advocacy/lobbying organizations in the US.

Same here. Life Member.... and also not always on the same page, but you can't deny what they have done and accomplished for gun rights in this country.
Their support of the Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986 comes to mind.
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#18
I want a pro-gun legislator who can keep his fucking mouth shut about gays, abortion, and can tell the difference between American Free Enterprise and outsourcing foundaries, etc. and just STICK TO WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

Darryl Metcalfe can just fucking shove his head up his ass and blow himself to kingdom come.

Because I vote for politicians who are pro-2A doesn't mean I condone legislators from beaver dam backwaters who fuck their cousins and when the first thing that comes up that isn't 2A, like jobs, gas tax, corporate tax structures, zoning and land use, or all the damn bridges we have all over this state that are out; that politician reaches right in the bag and brings out anti-liberty wedge issues: deflects it with queers, or there's not enough God in hood-rat school classrooms no one gives a f--k about, etc. Stuff to keep you distracted from the fact that the politician is dumb as a box of hair and doesn't know what liberty means.

Rare is it that I find a good 2A legislator I can pick around here in SE-PA who isn't at the same time a loony-toon. I guess if I had to pick limits, I'd say--once you go past Pat Toomey you get into ideologue "the government is gonna legislate morality" territory and that's where I just throw up my hands and vote 3rd party because these asshats don't have a clue what liberty truly means anymore.
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unclejumbo;48084 Wrote:It would be nice if everybody that heard about his nutty statement and was pissed off, would join the NRA even for a year. It would be great to see their membership double or triple as a giant FU to Bloomy.

There is no way that Nutcase Bloomy statesments could piss me off more than the NRA has pissed me off!!!

I searched and pulled out my copy of the NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, From March '68.

Yes, I WAS a member of the NRA in March '68 and tore my membership card up after reading the article titled:

WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION:

1). "The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22

2). "The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. ... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

3). "The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition..." (P. 22)

4). In order to "put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts," NRA management also pressed the federal government, in 1968, to:

"Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:

"a. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;"

That's a REGISTRATION LIST.

"b. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;"

That's another registration mechanism.

"c. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;"

Wait a week to exercise your inalienable rights.

"d. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;"

That is called Age Discrimination. In essence, in 1968, the NRA was saying "You can go die over in Vietnam for your country at age 18, but you can't sell a constitutionally protected item to your own neighbors for three more years."

"e. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;"

"Carrier" includes the U.S. Postal Service — another ripe opportunity for the federal government to collect names of gun buyers.

"f. increasing penalties for violation." (P. 22-23)

What do you think America's Founders would say about the NRA calling for "increasing penalties for violation" of unconstitutional gun laws?

At least as early as 1930, the NRA supported:

"...requir[ing] the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities..."

Historically noteworthy is the fact that the Germans were simultaneously doing the same thing, laying the groundwork for a Hitler to happen.

and

"...requir[ing] a license to carry a pistol concealed on one's person or in a vehicle..." [emphasis mine]

Ever heard of a license to carry a firearm in a vehicle? NRA has — over 70 years ago.

Not only has NRA management long supported gun owner registration, they've worked hard for it and still do. And NRA's current management still supports "penalties" for exercising your rights, which they now call "zero tolerance enforcement". (See Project Exile Condemnation Coalition and the Project Exile Archives for more information.)

"Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy's 'terrible indictment' of the NRA is groundless." (P. 23)

5). in his May 27, 1999 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Crime, NRA Executive Director Wayne R. LaPierre reiterated the group’s endorsement of this federalizing trend.

• "We think it’s reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone."

• "We think it’s reasonable to prevent all juveniles convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, for life."

• "We think it’s reasonable to provide full funding for the National Instant Check System so it operates efficiently and instantly."

• "We think it’s reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act."

• "We think it’s reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government."

Hope this educated some of our younger members.

RANT OFF
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MOUNTAINORACLE;48282 Wrote:
unclejumbo;48084 Wrote:It would be nice if everybody that heard about his nutty statement and was pissed off, would join the NRA even for a year. It would be great to see their membership double or triple as a giant FU to Bloomy.

There is no way that Nutcase Bloomy statesments could piss me off more than the NRA has pissed me off!!!

I searched and pulled out my copy of the NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, From March '68.

Yes, I WAS a member of the NRA in March '68 and tore my membership card up after reading the article titled:

WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION:

1). "The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22

2). "The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. ... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

3). "The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition..." (P. 22)

4). In order to "put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts," NRA management also pressed the federal government, in 1968, to:

"Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:

"a. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;"

That's a REGISTRATION LIST.

"b. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;"

That's another registration mechanism.

"c. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;"

Wait a week to exercise your inalienable rights.

"d. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;"

That is called Age Discrimination. In essence, in 1968, the NRA was saying "You can go die over in Vietnam for your country at age 18, but you can't sell a constitutionally protected item to your own neighbors for three more years."

"e. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;"

"Carrier" includes the U.S. Postal Service — another ripe opportunity for the federal government to collect names of gun buyers.

"f. increasing penalties for violation." (P. 22-23)

What do you think America's Founders would say about the NRA calling for "increasing penalties for violation" of unconstitutional gun laws?

At least as early as 1930, the NRA supported:

"...requir[ing] the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities..."

Historically noteworthy is the fact that the Germans were simultaneously doing the same thing, laying the groundwork for a Hitler to happen.

and

"...requir[ing] a license to carry a pistol concealed on one's person or in a vehicle..." [emphasis mine]

Ever heard of a license to carry a firearm in a vehicle? NRA has — over 70 years ago.

Not only has NRA management long supported gun owner registration, they've worked hard for it and still do. And NRA's current management still supports "penalties" for exercising your rights, which they now call "zero tolerance enforcement". (See Project Exile Condemnation Coalition and the Project Exile Archives for more information.)

"Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy's 'terrible indictment' of the NRA is groundless." (P. 23)

5). in his May 27, 1999 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Crime, NRA Executive Director Wayne R. LaPierre reiterated the group’s endorsement of this federalizing trend.

• "We think it’s reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone."

• "We think it’s reasonable to prevent all juveniles convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, for life."

• "We think it’s reasonable to provide full funding for the National Instant Check System so it operates efficiently and instantly."

• "We think it’s reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act."

• "We think it’s reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government."

Hope this educated some of our younger members.

RANT OFF

The NRA also supported the 1986 "ban" as well as Romney's "ban".

The NRA is all about money and if that means pissing on their members heads and telling them that it's raining, so be it as long as the donations keep coming in.

I can deal with a politician that wavers, they all do it, even the mighty Ron Paul by accepting earmarks does it, but I won't support that politician financially, nor will I support the NRA until they decide that compromise is not part of the 2nd.
Some people need to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936976021/ref=...jwbZH1GAZF

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