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Boehner backs Obama to strike Syria
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Quote:Boehner, top lawmakers back Obama call for military strike on Syria

House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday said he supports President Obama's call for a military strike on Syria, as other congressional leaders joined in making the case for an attack -- giving the plan a big boost ahead of a key hearing on Capitol Hill.

Boehner, emerging from a White House meeting with several other top-ranking lawmakers, said the chemical weapons attack last month "has to be responded to."

"The use of chemical weapons is a barbarous act. It's pretty clear to me that the United Nations is unable to take action, NATO not likely to take action. The United States for our entire history has stood up for democracy and freedom for people around the world," Boehner said. "I'm going to support the president's call for action."

Minutes later, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters that she too feels Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has "crossed a line."

"President Obama did not draw the red line. Humanity drew it," Pelosi said. She said lawmakers will have to decide, but she thinks "we must respond." She said she does not think Congress will reject the president's request for authorization.

House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said definitively that he plans to vote in favor of giving Obama authorization to use military force.

"While the authorizing language will likely change, the underlying reality will not. America has a compelling national security interest to prevent and respond to the use of weapons of mass destruction, especially by a terrorist state such as Syria, and to prevent further instability in a region of vital interest to the United States," he said in a written statement.

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I suspect I'm not in the majority here, but I support Obama in striking Syria. I supported Bush going in to Iraq and Afghanistan under the same pretenses, and because of what the leaders there have done...why would I feel any different now? Answer is, I do not.

What irritates me is those who stood by Bush and now lambast Obama, and those who lambasted Bush and stand by Obama. Nancy Pelosi and every other democrat, I look at you for the latter.

What is happening in Syria is disgusting, and needs to be stopped. What makes America great is that we don't stand for this kind of crap, and we step in to do something about it. If we sit idly by, we're no different than the cheese eating Europeans who lack the spine to get involved.

Doing the right thing won't always win popularity contests.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Camper;117484 Wrote:What irritates me is those who stood by Bush and now lambast Obama, and those who lambasted Bush and stand by Obama. Nancy Pelosi and every other democrat, I look at you for the latter.

After being let down about there not being any weapons of mass destruction, I think it's a little harsh to criticize those who originally supported attacking and invading Iraq, but do not want to attack Syria now.

For me at least, the problem isn't so much supporting the government for standing up to evil, but rather identifying who the bad guys are. We know the government in power is bad, but I also don't trust the rebels either, especially considering their Al Qaeda ties. I'm sorry, but I think we should sit this one out. There are a ton of oppressive governments killing their citizens. Look at Africa, yet nobody is talking about getting involved in their conflicts.
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Other than the president looking like an idiot, how is this our problem?
badey, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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Someday NSA's Boehner pics will be leaked
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Philadelphia Patriot;117489 Wrote:After being let down about there not being any weapons of mass destruction, I think it's a little harsh to criticize those who originally supported attacking and invading Iraq, but do not want to attack Syria now.

There is undeniable proof that chemical weapons have been/are being used in Syria. Same can be said about Iraq prior to when we entered.

Quote:For me at least, the problem isn't so much supporting the government for standing up to evil, but rather identifying who the bad guys are. We know the government in power is bad, but I also don't trust the rebels either, especially considering their Al Qaeda ties. I'm sorry, but I think we should sit this one out. There are a ton of oppressive governments killing their citizens. Look at Africa, yet nobody is talking about getting involved in their conflicts.

I believe we should be doing far more in Africa as well, due to the horrors being committed there, but at least we are there to assist from a purely humanitarian aspect.

As for rebels vs Al Qaeda, I never said put a stop to one over the other--I say put a stop to both. Take it over, and occupy it to maintain peace.

There are times when we must intervene and times that we should not, and I believe this is one of those times where we can not sit by and wait it out. As soon as the innocent civilians become targets of their governments, it is the duty of free men to stand and fight. Once governments do not have to fear the retribution of free nations and people elsewhere in the world, they will leave none free in their own nation and other countries will soon follow that lead.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Camper,

I respect your position, but on this, I have to disagree.

America is no longer in the financial position to be the world police force..., not only that, there is no authority in the Constitution from which to derive such actions.

And just speaking of the tragedy that is going on there, why does it now matter more, that we get involved, than it did before? Why is chemical weapon use the line? Do the dead care, how they were made dead?

I do not support going into Syria. I did not support going into Iraq..., although at the time, I was Navy and had to support the mission IAW my oath, regardless of my personal feelings about illegal wars of aggression.

Justin
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JustinHEMI;117495 Wrote:I respect your position, but on this, I have to disagree.

America is no longer in the financial position to be the world police force..., not only that, there is no authority in the Constitution from which to derive such actions.

The constitutionality is derived by congressional votes, and the path to gain them is the right way to go.

No, we're broke...but I'm also of the opinion that if we go into a nation to 'rescue' them, then we should take the 'cost' in the form of natural resources in order to balance the ledger. We did not do this in Iraq, much to the chagrin of the "war for oil" crowd, but we should have in order to offset the cost and to assist in rebuilding the nation. Had we claimed resources and taken them over, water and electricity would have flowed much faster rather than our resources being dedicated solely for fighting.

Quote:And just speaking of the tragedy that is going on there, why does it now matter more, that we get involved, than it did before? Why is chemical weapon use the line? Do the dead care, how they were made dead?

It is not the method, it is the target. However the method shows a deeper level of brutality and disregard for life than conventional warfare. With two factions fighting against each other, it is a matter of letting the event work itself out. Once you get into the intentional killing of civilians who are not involved, it becomes something entirely different.

For example, you have gangs going at each other in the inner city I say sit back and let them kill each other off. These gangs start targeting civilians for the purpose of showing their power or scaring them into submission, it's time to intercede.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Lets just sit this one out, there are other countries who have the means to deal with Assad, who are also upset about the gassing of civilians, we already had our fun fucking up Afganastan and Iraq, let the British and the French have a go at Syria, got to let them have some fun too.
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