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Brainwashed public reacts to possible AWB
#1
Generally I don't care for the infowars fear mongering and stretching of the truth, but this video was interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoP_Pn-ykio

I like how none of them even the self professed gun owner know the 2A off the top of their heads. So many people tell me that 2A is only for militia, but they themselves don't even know the wording. I also like how wanting to keep your guns is a "headstrong southern attitude"...There's that stereotype again.
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Emoticon;69671 Wrote:I also like how wanting to keep your guns is a "headstrong southern attitude"...There's that stereotype again.

It's the only way they can maintain the division in the populace. It's always "those people" not "all of us."
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Emoticon;69671 Wrote:So many people tell me that 2A is only for militia, but they themselves don't even know the wording.

This always bothered me.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There's always so much talk about who the "militia" is and what "regulated" means and/or meant. To me, it's much simpler than that if you understand grammar. The first part cannot stand on its own and is therefore only a description or explanation. Whether those first words were there or not would have no effect on the real sentence.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" is not a sentence, it's simply extraneous description.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is a complete sentence and the only part of the 2A that can stand on its own. Everything else is distraction.
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#4
The first woman is a complete moron. Telling everyone they should turn them in, because once they are all turned in then you won't have to defend against other people... sure, like the criminals are just going to follow the law and turn theirs in!
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thebearpack;69691 Wrote:
Emoticon;69671 Wrote:So many people tell me that 2A is only for militia, but they themselves don't even know the wording.

This always bothered me.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There's always so much talk about who the "militia" is and what "regulated" means and/or meant. To me, it's much simpler than that if you understand grammar. The first part cannot stand on its own and is therefore only a description or explanation. Whether those first words were there or not would have no effect on the real sentence.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" is not a sentence, it's simply extraneous description.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is a complete sentence and the only part of the 2A that can stand on its own. Everything else is distraction.

I agree and it's even more simple when you read what the people who wrote it have to say. It's crystal clear that the 2A was written to prevent the government from infringing on the natural right to self defense. Whether it be the collective defense of the State, individual defense from criminals, or as a last resort, to resist government tryanny. The founders cited all of these reasons when discussing the purpose and meaning of the 2A. The anti fixation on "well regulated militia" is intellectual laziness and dishonesty at it's worst.
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The 2nd amendment is fairly clear. The two first sentence fragments explain the need for the amendment. The third portion is the actual amendment. Much like how the freedom of speech or privacy amendments are written. In the context of the Constitution as a whole, which the amendment actually amends, the definition of militia is also made fairly clear and therefor the meaning of the word regulated falls in to place.

"My stomach was hurting, I couldn't make it to the bathroom, I threw up." the fact that I threw up was not dependent on my stomach hurting or failing to make it to the bathroom. They're just descriptions.
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Wow, useful idiots! Bill Ayers et al must be proud!
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ByblosHex;69703 Wrote:The 2nd amendment is fairly clear. The two first sentence fragments explain the need for the amendment. The third portion is the actual amendment. Much like how the freedom of speech or privacy amendments are written. In the context of the Constitution as a whole, which the amendment actually amends, the definition of militia is also made fairly clear and therefor the meaning of the word regulated falls in to place.

"My stomach was hurting, I couldn't make it to the bathroom, I threw up." the fact that I threw up was not dependent on my stomach hurting or failing to make it to the bathroom. They're just descriptions.

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#9
To me, well-regulated means well-organized...meaning, the founders were saying it was necessary to have a militia, and it was necessary to have it organized, disciplined, and ready-to-go....and therefore, since that is a necessary thing, nobody has any right to infringe upon the people's ability to keep and bear arms.

"Regulation" probably had to do with the discipline of the militia, not telling people what kinds of weapons they were allowed to have, and when they were allowed to have them.

The foundation was the right to keep and bear arms. Out of that foundation grows the well-regulated militia.
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#10
it's extremely easy to want to 'do something' based on emotion rather than actually sitting down and rationally thinking about a problem and coming up with a solution to the problem, if one actually exists.

I think government should get rid of these dumb fucking gun free zones and the mundane laws about not being able to carry in and/or on school grounds for starters. second, I think teachers and faculty within the school system should be allowed to carry on school property if they voluntarily decide they want to.

on the flip side, I'm not too keen on putting cops in schools because then it becomes more and more like a prison system. being that I've actually worked at a school district where some of the schools actually did look like prisons (cops, bars on the windows and metal detectors on every single floor) with lockers and a lot of different rooms (various schools within Philadelphia), I think that it sets the wrong mental note to the kids within that school.
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