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Bucks County:- sales and concealed weapon permits exploding
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Some of the statements here, by Gunowners are full of fail. These idiots sound just like antis, they say things that just are NOT supported by ANY facts. This is half our problem, our own side seems to have been re-educated.

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Gun crazy -- sales and concealed weapon permits exploding By Jo Ciavaglia and Manase Wagh Staff writer 01/16/2013 8:22 PM

At the Bucks County Sheriff’s Office, the post-Christmas demand for concealed weapon permits remains so strong that deputies are working overtime to help process applications.

Between Friday and Tuesday, the sheriff’s Doylestown office alone has received 177 applications for new permits and renewals, Bucks County Sheriff Chief Deputy Dennis Shook said. Roughly 30,000, or 6 percent, of the 488,946 county residents 18 and older have active concealed weapon permits, he said. With some exceptions, Pennsylvania residents must be 21 to apply for a permit.

“My gun permit people have been working like crazy,” Shook added. “I have only been here 18 months, but I can’t see where they have had more of a demand in the past. My clerk that works permits says she has never seen it like this, and she has been here over 15 years.”

At Ready Aim Fire, an indoor shooting range, training center and professional gun shop in Bristol Township, sales have been nonstop since the Tuesday after the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn.

James McGinty of Tabernacle, N.J., who works behind the counter at Ready Aim Fire, pointed to a glassed-in section of shelves holding a lineup of firearms below the counter.

“Those shelves are usually stacked with guns, but we’re dwindling,” he said Wednesday over the boom of bullets fired in the adjoining shooting gallery.

FBI statistics show that gun sales clearly are on the rise in Pennsylvania and neighboring New Jersey, where 133,241 and 10,047 firearm background checks, respectively, were performed during December alone.

The number of National Instant Criminal Background Checks for gun permits performed in Pennsylvania jumped 86 percent from 718,934 to 968,534 between 2011 and last year — the fifth highest number in the nation, according to FBI. Across the river in New Jersey, the number of firearm background checks jumped 42 percent from 60,256 to 85,851 during the same time period. The numbers don’t represent firearms sold.

Gun owners aren’t required to register with local enforcement any firearms they purchased from a licensed gun dealer. Dealers, though, are required to keep the federal forms filled out by gun buyers, and then hand them over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives when or if they go out of business. The forms contain the buyer’s information, including model and serial number of the gun.

The number of concealed weapon permits suggests how many people are legally permitted to carry a firearm, but individuals don’t need to own a gun to get a permit to carry.

In Pennsylvania, people who buy Class 3 or 4 firearms, which are considered assault weapons, are required to have a sheriff a notice that they intend to buy the weapon and submit a set of fingerprints to be sent to the ATF, which approves or rejects the purchase. Either way, the filing of the notice is the extent the sheriff is involved in the process, Shook said.

News events, such as mass shootings or lawmaker efforts to restrict guns, often have a major impact on gun sales, experts point out. FBI figures show background checks for handgun sales rose in Arizona after the 2011 shooting of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

The newspaper was unsuccessful in reaching the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office on Wednesday to find out if the demand for concealed weapon permits has gone up. In December, the office reported it had not seen increases in concealed permit applications, which average about 35 a day. Montgomery County has about 34,000 active concealed weapon permits, according to the sheriff’s office. That means about 5.4 percent of the 627,284 residents 18 and older can carry a gun on the streets.

Shook believes that a combination of the Sandy Hook shooting and the fear that President Obama will force tough new gun restrictions is driving the demand of concealed weapon permits.

At Ready, Aim, Fire, several people said they hope the legislation unveiled Wednesday would keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, but worry that law-abiding citizens could be impacted.

McGinty, the store clerk, supports tighter background checks for prospective gun owners, but he believes the definition of assault weapons is too broad and includes too many guns.

The gun capacity limit of 10 rounds, specified in the now expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, won’t stop gun violence, he says. The ban included a prohibition on the manufacture of certain semi-automatic firearms, so-called “assault weapons” for civilian use. It applied to only weapons manufactured after the date of the ban’s enactment.

“They’re saying it’s less deadly to have no more than 10 bullets in a gun, but the ban on those guns in 1994 was lifted because it had no effect on violence,” he said.

Others expressed support for bans on assault weapons for anyone outside of law enforcement.

“There’s no reason. Unless you want to hunt, then a shotgun can kill an animal. You don’t need an assault weapon,” said a Bristol Township police officer who didn’t want to be identified.

Jose Rivera is a security officer in Northeast Philadelphia who carries a Walther PPK. He was at Ready, Aim, Fire looking for a carrying case for his pistol.

“Criminals are the problem, not the people trying to protect themselves,” he said. “The background checks are pretty strong already. I had to talk to a psychologist, go through all kinds of checking just to carry a gun at work.”

The president’s proposed gun legislation seemed reasonable to Bob, a gun owner who didn’t want to provide his last name. He owns a 9 mm pistol and wants to buy a 16-round magazine, which he worries might soon be illegal.

“I come to the shooting range because it’s good to stay up on your expertise,” he added.

But local law enforcement officials worry that too many new gun owners are not taking steps to learn how to use and store weapons.

Shook pointed out that retired law enforcement officers can get a national concealed weapon permit, but the one-year permit requires they demonstrate they know how to use a weapon properly. But a general concealed weapon carrying permit in Pennsylvania is good for five years and doesn’t require the permit holder to have any gun education.

Anytime more people are buying and carrying guns, there is a greater risk for problems, added Bristol Township Lt. Terry Hughes.
“Gun safety is a concern, a major concern,” he said. “Hopefully the people who are applying for this (concealed weapon permit) go through a basic gun safety course.”

Bensalem Director of Public Safety Fred Harran echoed similar concerns about civilians stockpiling firearms.

“The more guns that are out there, the more opportunities for them to fall into illegal hands,” Harran said. “It’s an obvious deduction and conclusion.”
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Just scary that some LEOS think the way they do. There really is no basis for most of the statements they make.
IMHO it's amazing how safe legal gun owners actually are.
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Pocketprotector;68450 Wrote:Just scary that some LEOS think the way they do. There really is no basis for most of the statements they make.
IMHO it's amazing how safe legal gun owners actually are.

Can't say that I blame them. If you were a cop wouldn't you want all the guns off the street so that way when you're taking a nap behind a bridge or sexing up a high school girl you don't have to worry about someone coming up behind you and shooting you?

Yes, I know that not all cops sex up high school girls, but where I grew up it was near epidemic.
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What's a "Class 3 or Class 4" firearm?

Okay, I get that they really mean "Title II," but "Class 4?" Really?

Also, I didn't realize that my suppressor, SBR, SBS, and SMG were all considered "assault weapons" in PA. Heck, I didn't even know PA had a definition for assault weapons. Rolleyes

I always just thought that assault weapons were select fire carbines that shoot an intermediate cartridge and have a detachable magazine. Thankfully I've finally been corrected, can't believe I was wrong all this time.

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Camper;68456 Wrote:
Pocketprotector;68450 Wrote:Just scary that some LEOS think the way they do. There really is no basis for most of the statements they make.
IMHO it's amazing how safe legal gun owners actually are.

Can't say that I blame them. If you were a cop wouldn't you want all the guns off the street so that way when you're taking a nap behind a bridge or sexing up a high school girl you don't have to worry about someone coming up behind you and shooting you?

Yes, I know that not all cops sex up high school girls, but where I grew up it was near epidemic.

Their superiority/elitist attitude is not supported. Here in Bucks County the crime rate amongst LEOs easily exceeds that of legal gun owners. I would love to see a study on this. We are legal gun owners because we don't commit crimes. It's the definition.

Last year we had a prominent LEO/SWAT member shoot up an entire luxury home neighborhood. Another faked his own shooting, one is on trial now for a multitude of offenses.

While legal gun ownership soars and crimes go down.....like I said, they speak out their ass.
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