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Carbon county Sheriff and LTCF
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Here is the link to carbon county sheriff web site

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/

Process to get LTCFis straight forward print out application has to be printed on one sheet of paper follow instruction an complete the form. See link below for more detail. Go in in person and about twenty minutes later you walk out with your permit. Pm me if you have any questions

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/pages...earms.html

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Rusty
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Rcpaul;75997 Wrote:Here is the link to carbon county sheriff web site

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/

Process to get LTCFis straight forward print out application has to be printed on one sheet of paper follow instruction an complete the form. See link below for more detail. Go in in person and about twenty minutes later you walk out with your permit. Pm me if you have any questions

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/pages...earms.html

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Rusty

2 REFERENCES THAT RESIDE IN CARBON COUNTY REQUIRED
(Name, Address & Telephone Number)

Oh good, so the sheriff is adding unauthorized hurdles to the application process not found in or permitted by any statute.

A+ job right there; that pretty much screws over applicants who just moved into the county or non-resident applicants who don't know anyone there. Considering that the sheriff has no legal authority for this requirement, and considering that the sheriff has a legal duty to process such applications regardless of whether an individual has in-county references or not then enforcing this "requirement" is quite clearly a blatant act of official oppression.
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(02-05-2013, 11:26 PM)IronSight Wrote:
Rcpaul;75997 Wrote:Here is the link to carbon county sheriff web site

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/

Process to get LTCFis straight forward print out application has to be printed on one sheet of paper follow instruction an complete the form. See link below for more detail. Go in in person and about twenty minutes later you walk out with your permit. Pm me if you have any questions

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/pages...earms.html

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Rusty

2 REFERENCES THAT RESIDE IN CARBON COUNTY REQUIRED
(Name, Address & Telephone Number)

Oh good, so the sheriff is adding unauthorized hurdles to the application process not found in or permitted by any statute.

A+ job right there; that pretty much screws over applicants who just moved into the county or non-resident applicants who don't know anyone there. Considering that the sheriff has no legal authority for this requirement, and considering that the sheriff has a legal duty to process such applications regardless of whether an individual has in-county references or not then enforcing this "requirement" is quite clearly a blatant act of official oppression.

When I got my permit they never checked the references. They just run a pics check and you get your permit. Took about 20 minutes. On a side note my mom and dad got their non pa resident LTCF it took them about 40 minutes total to do that. All they needed was there permit from NY. It was an easy process
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IronSight;76022 Wrote:
Rcpaul;75997 Wrote:Here is the link to carbon county sheriff web site

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/

Process to get LTCFis straight forward print out application has to be printed on one sheet of paper follow instruction an complete the form. See link below for more detail. Go in in person and about twenty minutes later you walk out with your permit. Pm me if you have any questions

http://www.carboncountysheriff.com/pages...earms.html

Thanks
Rusty

2 REFERENCES THAT RESIDE IN CARBON COUNTY REQUIRED
(Name, Address & Telephone Number)

Oh good, so the sheriff is adding unauthorized hurdles to the application process not found in or permitted by any statute.

A+ job right there; that pretty much screws over applicants who just moved into the county or non-resident applicants who don't know anyone there. Considering that the sheriff has no legal authority for this requirement, and considering that the sheriff has a legal duty to process such applications regardless of whether an individual has in-county references or not then enforcing this "requirement" is quite clearly a blatant act of official oppression.

Yes, this was a little tricky for me 5 years ago, being somewhat new to the area and with most people I know being from Monroe County. I was able to use my daughter's friend's parents, who are hunters and are familiar with the permit process. I voted for the challenger in the last election who said he would not enforce the above requirement, but he lost.
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One could easily say it's part of the background check and the Sheriff is checking to see if your a danger to the public, etc.

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shademtarmory;113797 Wrote:One could easily say it's part of the background check and the Sheriff is checking to see if your a danger to the public, etc.

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A claim that completely falls apart when you consider that your information and application are protected by felony level privacy standards and when you realize that leaving the section blank in no way provides the Sheriff 'good cause' to issue a denial.

Furthermore, even if the court holds that the PSP's regulation on the form to require references is acceptable, nothing in the statute permits the Sheriff to impose additional requirements beyond the PSP's standards. State law is also explicitly clear that the PSP application is to be uniform across the Commonwealth. So the whole requirement that references reside in the county is, quite obviously, ready for a court challenge.

There's also SCOTUS case law on durational residency requirements on gov't services (not directly with gun rights issues), given that an in-county requirement essential creates such a requirement for new residents that don't know anyone in the area it could also be challenged on those grounds with the right applicant. There are a number of other constitutional arguments to be made even if the requirement was explicitly spelled out in statute.

So, please, spare the excuses.
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#7
The Vehicle Code also says that it shall be interpreted uniformly across the Commonwealth, but you don't see that happening with the MDJs do you?

Not trying to start an argument like some people love to do on here. I'm just saying what most Sheriffs will tell you.

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shademtarmory;113829 Wrote:Not trying to start an argument like some people love to do on here.

Yes you are. Tongue
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#9
Why? Because I pointed something out?

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#10
MDJ's aren't part of the executive branch of government, they're judicial. When you want to compare apples to apples let me know.

I don't care what most sheriffs will say, I care what they are authorized to do. However, 'most sheriffs' do not have this requirement. Only a minority of sheriffs take the opportunity to use their power to abuse the process and rely on a false sense of authority to do so. So no, 'most sheriffs' won't tell me that because I've done detailed research on what most sheriffs are doing.
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