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Carry a gun in Philly? Make sure it's yours.
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http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/03...ladelphia/

Quote:HARRISBURG, Pa. (CBS) — A committee of the Pennsylvania House today gave initial approval to several firearms bills, including one that would increase the penalty for illegally carrying a gun on the streets of Philadelphia.

The House Judiciary Committee advanced the bill, sponsored by Rep. John Taylor (R-Phila.), which will create a minimum two-year prison sentence for someone who carries a gun in Philadelphia that is not licensed or exempt from licensing and who is not the owner of the weapon.

“This mandatory minimum was very successful in New York,” Taylor said today. “We think it’s a main component of why their murder rate has dropped so drastically.”

The committee also gave approval to a measure that would clarify that state law preempts local laws governing guns — over the protest of at least one suburban lawmaker who complained that it would give standing to groups such as the NRA to launch preemptive challenges to local ordinances requiring people to report lost or stolen guns.

I wonder how they plan on determining if you are carrying your gun?
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How is that going to reconcile with the UFA in regards to legal loans of firearms?
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What licensing? Is there a new requirement for licensing that I am not aware of?Shrug
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If the wording of the bill is exactly like the article, it wont be a problem for legal gun owners because of the word and.
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(03-18-2014, 02:13 PM)bac0nfat Wrote: If the wording of the bill is exactly like the article, it wont be a problem for legal gun owners because of the word and.

Good find. Hope that is the case.
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bac0nfat;138473 Wrote:If the wording of the bill is exactly like the article, it wont be a problem for legal gun owners because of the word and.

I was thinking the same thing as I read that.
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The key word is "and".... the person must meet both parts be unlicensed AND not owning the weapon. Or NOT exempt from licensing AND not the owner.

Stupid proposal for many reasons, but I think the intent is to target gangs with mandatory sentencing. I have a problem with mandatory sentencing (zero tolerance). We already have laws in place if they would just enforce them.

Rik Bitter;138460 Wrote:http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/03...ladelphia/

Quote:HARRISBURG, Pa. (CBS) — A committee of the Pennsylvania House today gave initial approval to several firearms bills, including one that would increase the penalty for illegally carrying a gun on the streets of Philadelphia.

The House Judiciary Committee advanced the bill, sponsored by Rep. John Taylor (R-Phila.), which will create a minimum two-year prison sentence for someone who carries a gun in Philadelphia that is not licensed or exempt from licensing and who is not the owner of the weapon.

“This mandatory minimum was very successful in New York,” Taylor said today. “We think it’s a main component of why their murder rate has dropped so drastically.”

The committee also gave approval to a measure that would clarify that state law preempts local laws governing guns — over the protest of at least one suburban lawmaker who complained that it would give standing to groups such as the NRA to launch preemptive challenges to local ordinances requiring people to report lost or stolen guns.

I wonder how they plan on determining if you are carrying your gun?
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Yup, it's just one more law for Seth Williams not to prosecute. When you read through the Philly news and see the names of people picked up on shooting charges and such, then look up their record, many times you'll see that any charges related to the firearm are Nolle Prossed, dropped our plead down.
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1. This law amends PUFA
2. This law ONLY applies to cities of the first class, which is cities >=1,000,000 in population, which there's only one... Philly
3. PA Rep Taylor (R-Phila), is my state rep.


4. This bill doesn't force the DA to pursue prosecution, it merely gets around Judge Rayford Means and a couple of other judges down at the First District who keep handing out super-light sentences for VUFA (the ones that are not nolle-prossed in connection to other charges). It forces mandos on VUFA so it's unavoidable when VUFA is the only charge there. I believe Seth Williams can still hand out ARDs for VUFA but I'm not sure. That will probably require more clarification.


If the gun is yours but you didn't bring your LTCF with you this mando doesn't apply. However, most of you drive or ride SEPTA to get to Philly and in Pennsylvania law that is vehicle carry and you better have it on you because it would be a VUFA with the staties if you're caught anywhere in PA vehicle carrying w/o a LTCF.
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ArcticSplash;138503 Wrote:1. This law amends PUFA
2. This law ONLY applies to cities of the first class, which is cities >=1,000,000 in population, which there's only one... Philly
3. PA Rep Taylor (R-Phila), is my state rep.


4. This bill doesn't force the DA to pursue prosecution, it merely gets around Judge Rayford Means and a couple of other judges down at the First District who keep handing out super-light sentences for VUFA (the ones that are not nolle-prossed in connection to other charges). It forces mandos on VUFA so it's unavoidable when VUFA is the only charge there. I believe Seth Williams can still hand out ARDs for VUFA but I'm not sure. That will probably require more clarification.


If the gun is yours but you didn't bring your LTCF with you this mando doesn't apply. However, most of you drive or ride SEPTA to get to Philly and in Pennsylvania law that is vehicle carry and you better have it on you because it would be a VUFA with the staties if you're caught anywhere in PA vehicle carrying w/o a LTCF.

I'm only going buy what is in the news article so if the actual text of the bill is more clear then I might be on board with this.

What I'm concerned about is if I'm carrying in Philadelphia (which I do frequently) with my LCTF but the gun I happen to be carrying is not on the PSP nonregistry.
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