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Carry in borough building?
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So I have a question for you guys. I never really thought of my tiny boroughs building as off limits for carrying. It houses the PD, the Tax office, council hall, and the basement is my FD office and social room. Are borough buildings off limits? Sorry if I sound naive... I guess I never figured it fit into buildings like courhouses, or state stuff like in Harrisburg.

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I'm not trying to be a dick, but just give them a call and find out. I'm sure they are not regulated by state law, but there might be a local ordinance that forbids them at your borough building. Also are there metal detectors at the building? Do they have security guards posted up? Are there "No Firearms Permitted" signs on the grounds or in the building?
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Philadelphia Patriot;54189 Wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick, but just give them a call and find out. I'm sure they are not regulated by state law, but there might be a local ordinance that forbids them at your borough building. Also are there metal detectors at the building? Do they have security guards posted up? Are there "No Firearms Permitted" signs on the grounds or in the building?

Wouldn't it be illegal to ban carry if they have no courts in the building?
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Philadelphia Patriot;54189 Wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick, but just give them a call and find out. I'm sure they are not regulated by state law, but there might be a local ordinance that forbids them at your borough building. Also are there metal detectors at the building? Do they have security guards posted up? Are there "No Firearms Permitted" signs on the grounds or in the building?

That made me laugh.......cuz my borough is SMALL... think Mayberry .... no metal detectors, no guards or anything like that. Heck most people know everyone by name around here. We don't even have a stoplight in our town... Yeah.. were one of those places. There aren't signs or anything. I will probably ask but it has to be the right person. I'm on the FD and right now not all our members aren't exactly on friendly terms with certain people on that end. Typical small town angst. Thats why I asked here... I don't need a rumor getting spread about me and my gun that turns into something its not... cuz the place is a rumor mill too.
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mpan72;54199 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;54189 Wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick, but just give them a call and find out. I'm sure they are not regulated by state law, but there might be a local ordinance that forbids them at your borough building. Also are there metal detectors at the building? Do they have security guards posted up? Are there "No Firearms Permitted" signs on the grounds or in the building?

Wouldn't it be illegal to ban carry if they have no courts in the building?


I understand what you are saying since only the state can implement firearms laws. I haven't been inside Philadelphia's City Hall in awhile, but I think parts of it have security guards and metal detectors, but then again they do have court rooms in City Hall too. I think having the OP call the borough building's administration and asking would be the best bet. Even if the answer is "yes, there is a ban on firearms in the building" then it would be interesting to know their reaction if the law pertaining to only the state can create gun laws was brought to their attention. Hmmmm, very interesting point.
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mpan72;54199 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;54189 Wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick, but just give them a call and find out. I'm sure they are not regulated by state law, but there might be a local ordinance that forbids them at your borough building. Also are there metal detectors at the building? Do they have security guards posted up? Are there "No Firearms Permitted" signs on the grounds or in the building?

Wouldn't it be illegal to ban carry if they have no courts in the building?

No courts. Just offices. I wouldn't even worry but my FD rooms are in the basement of it and if I had it on going there I don't want to put my FD in a bind thinking they allowed it when it wasn't allowed.
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Probably not prohibited by statute. If the PD contains holding cells, they are prohibited, as would any 'adjoining corridors', but IMO, NOT the entire building. See the actual definition of "court facilities" below to be sure. If there are no court facilities present, preemption prevents them from enacting their own prohibition.

Quote: "Court facility." The courtroom of a court of record; a courtroom of a community court; the courtroom of a magisterial district judge; a courtroom of the Philadelphia Municipal Court; a courtroom of the Pittsburgh Magistrates Court; a courtroom of the Traffic Court of Philadelphia; judge's chambers; witness rooms; jury deliberation rooms; attorney conference rooms; prisoner holding cells; offices of court clerks, the district attorney, the sheriff and probation and parole officers; and any adjoining corridors.

Further, if any area is defined as a court facility, signage and storage are mandated by law.
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gnbrotz;54236 Wrote:Probably not prohibited by statute. If the PD contains holding cells, they are prohibited, as would any 'adjoining corridors', but IMO, NOT the entire building. See the actual definition of "court facilities" below to be sure. If there are no court facilities present, preemption prevents them from enacting their own prohibition.

Quote: "Court facility." The courtroom of a court of record; a courtroom of a community court; the courtroom of a magisterial district judge; a courtroom of the Philadelphia Municipal Court; a courtroom of the Pittsburgh Magistrates Court; a courtroom of the Traffic Court of Philadelphia; judge's chambers; witness rooms; jury deliberation rooms; attorney conference rooms; prisoner holding cells; offices of court clerks, the district attorney, the sheriff and probation and parole officers; and any adjoining corridors.

Further, if any area is defined as a court facility, signage and storage are mandated by law.

the only thing on there we have is holding cells. they have 2 but I couldn't tell you the last time anyone was in one besides people on tour for pictures...LOL
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gnbrotz;54236 Wrote:Probably not prohibited by statute. If the PD contains holding cells, they are prohibited, as would any 'adjoining corridors', but IMO, NOT the entire building. See the actual definition of "court facilities" below to be sure. If there are no court facilities present, preemption prevents them from enacting their own prohibition.

Quote: "Court facility." The courtroom of a court of record; a courtroom of a community court; the courtroom of a magisterial district judge; a courtroom of the Philadelphia Municipal Court; a courtroom of the Pittsburgh Magistrates Court; a courtroom of the Traffic Court of Philadelphia; judge's chambers; witness rooms; jury deliberation rooms; attorney conference rooms; prisoner holding cells; offices of court clerks, the district attorney, the sheriff and probation and parole officers; and any adjoining corridors.

Further, if any area is defined as a court facility, signage and storage are mandated by law.
'Tis the situation in Hamburg - Municipal court is on upper floor - so they go and prohibit the entire building 24/7!
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