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CeaseFirePA Packing Courtooms of Straw Buyers and PUFA violators
#11
Sounds a little like mob justice. Any judge who openly admits to imposing a sentence based on how many are in his audience should be fired.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#12
Dave;123662 Wrote:Sounds a little like mob justice. Any judge who openly admits to imposing a sentence based on how many are in his audience should be fired.

Judges are elected officials, and if having people from the electorate visibly watching them causes them to do what they were supposed to do in the first place, so be it. It's called "accountability."
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#13
They are also suppose to be impartial. I guess we can just get rid of them all together and put both the verdict and sentence out for popular vote,
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Dave;123682 Wrote:They are also suppose to be impartial. I guess we can just get rid of them all together and put both the verdict and sentence out for popular vote,

Each case could be setup as a facebook page and the decision is based upon the number of likes vs dislikes.
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#15
mikeb0;16892 Wrote:
ArcticSplash;16890 Wrote:...

I was jury foreman on a drug trial this past March and myself and another juror on the panel struggled for an hour over a possession of inst. of crime charge because Phila. Police Dept. found a Luger in the kitchen of the drug dealer, which was purchased by his ho. We had to have the statute read from the judge and explained twice while we tried to figure out if it applied.

Towards the end we threw up our hands and guilty'd him on the charge,
mostly because the stupid fucker bolted from court when the case was originally called, the judge put out a bench warrant and the whole trial was done in-absentia. If he cared about his future he would have defended the charges.

Now he can sit in CFCF and appeal them from a cell for the next 4.5 years.

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So when you couldn't figure out beyond a reasonable doubt if he was guilty you threw your hands up and declared him guilty .... Confused

Rule 640. Swearing the Trial Jury to Hear the Cause.
(A) After all jurors have been selected, the jury, including any alternates, shall be sworn as a body to hear the cause.
(B) The following oath shall be administered:
‘‘You do solemnly swear by Almighty God and those of you who affirm do declare and affirm that you will well and truly try the issue joined between the Commonwealth and the defendant(s), and a true verdict render according to the evidence.’’

Let me get this straight, you want to throw thousands of people in jail who commit no offense in the possession of property, at exceedingly longer bases. You convict someone who may not have committed an offense because it was too hard to bother to think about. You swore to 'well and truly try the issue'. It sounds to me like the only criminal here was you. The question is: was it felony perjury? misdemeanor contempt? or misdemeanor official oppression?

I was talking about punishing those whom commit crimes with tools of a righteous purpose to extend their sphere of influence in the course of a wrongful purpose, not prosecuting and punishing men with the inherent and indefeasible right to possess property. They can acquire, possess and use the firearm in defense. But it is still a crime to create a victim with injury or loss, and the penalty can be aggravated based on facts.

We face an altogether sad future where citizens do not take their duties seriously, whether it is voting, serving as juror, or preparing oneself for militia duty.
MDJschool, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Dec 2012.
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#16
streaker69;123685 Wrote:Each case could be setup as a facebook page and the decision is based upon the number of likes vs dislikes.

Well that's just going to be considered racist but works for me! Smile

MDJschool;123702 Wrote:The question is: was it felony perjury? misdemeanor contempt? or misdemeanor official oppression?

Can he just admit to hating kittens and call it good?
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#17
gascolator;123675 Wrote:
Dave;123662 Wrote:Sounds a little like mob justice. Any judge who openly admits to imposing a sentence based on how many are in his audience should be fired.

Judges are elected officials, and if having people from the electorate visibly watching them causes them to do what they were supposed to do in the first place, so be it. It's called "accountability."

A watched courtroom never boils. If virtuous people amass, a few things happen: they settle ruffians, including families involved with defendant and victim, and stop quarrel that erupt. Just as concealing a firearm might 'exert an unhappy influence upon the moral feelings of the wearer', the presence of observers in a courtroom provide a subtle reminder to the impartial but lax jurist that he should not bow to them but that they are there to remind him to be diligent in his duties -- to face only a DA, defendent, and his counsel every day does not tend to confirm those duties. Multiple modes of documentation can occur so that if any records are lost, they can best be reconstituted as ordered by the court.

Although it would be an abomination to deny some access to the courtroom if CeasefirePA at first flooded it, warm bodies are just the right medicine for an ailing system -- it's not just for judges but DAs and police officers, too, who long do what they do with no scrutiny whatsoever and with the tacit approval of their sister officials.
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#18
ArcticSplash;16890 Wrote:How do you folks feel about this one?
http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/a...gun-felons

Personally, I support this effort that CFPA is doing. However I know that some CFPA folks are pure antis and it wouldn't take much for them to cross the line and start demanding total bans, like the armchair antis do.

I've had CeaseFire come to my local civic before and they insist that they are not against 2A.

I do want these idiots prosecuted and the book thrown at them, but only if their PUFA charges are valid.

I was jury foreman on a drug trial this past March and myself and another juror on the panel struggled for an hour over a possession of inst. of crime charge because Phila. Police Dept. found a Luger in the kitchen of the drug dealer, which was purchased by his ho. We had to have the statute read from the judge and explained twice while we tried to figure out if it applied.

Towards the end we threw up our hands and guilty'd him on the charge, mostly because the stupid fucker bolted from court when the case was originally called, the judge put out a bench warrant and the whole trial was done in-absentia. If he cared about his future he would have defended the charges.

Now he can sit in CFCF and appeal them from a cell for the next 4.5 years.

Wouldn't the admission of this act, if found by the guy's attorney be grounds for a mistrial and an appeal?
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#19
These are the two comments that gave me pause:

"The judge, citing the presence of the community members, said the strong sentence was due to the court’s recognition of the danger that Hall posed to the neighborhood"

"The judge cited the neighbors’ presence in saying that, despite Sampson’s claims she was a also a community activist, the community clearly felt otherwise"

And while I may agree with the stronger sentences I sure as hell hate to see any of the process so influenced, I get that the system is screwed in many ways but this would be near the bottom of my list of fixes. Just as much as Congress is screwed up I would not want each policy decision put out to popular vote.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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