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Children born out of rape stand with Richard Mourdock and his views on abortion
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This is really, really powerful. These women who were born out of rape stand up to support Richard Mourdock and his views on abortion and make clear that the reason they are alive is because their innocent lives were protected by law.

This is a must watch:

[video=youtube]http://youtu.be/BqeBHTxPkeA[/video]
It's the "BILL OF RIGHTS" not the bill of "needs"
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Powerful? This proves nothing in the argument. Let's think about this. The vast majority of people who would keep a rape baby are going to be highly religious. That is a fact. It's not going to be 100%, but pretty damn close. So, as most of these people were born to highly religious mothers it stands to reason they've had it drilled into their skulls that they are mommies' little rape gift from god into their heads since they were born. If you tell a child something enough times they will believe it.

So I see:

I see the product of self preservation instinct and primarily religious brainwashing. I also know there's always an outlier to any statistical group like this. The number of people in this video are not a representative group by any means. I'm sure Rick Santorum wasn't lying when he said there were gay people he was friends with and that would vote for him, while 99.9% of them treat him as the anti-christ. I also know they aren't going to show the child that was practically disowned by her mother since inception because every time she looks at the child she is reminded of the most traumatic experience likely of her entire life. So the child lives a shit life and ends up becoming a career criminal. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of women in that circumstance resorted to suicide rather than be confronted with that on a daily basis.

Confirmation bias at it's finest. You want something to be true so you find information that confirms it so you can feel better about yourself and your stance on the issue.
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Emoticon;33806 Wrote:Confirmation bias at it's finest. You want something to be true so you find information that confirms it so you can feel better about yourself and your stance on the issue.

My nephew married an atheist girl from an atheist family who kept her rape baby. She was going to abort it, and had a change of heart in the waiting room.

And honestly, this video is only people who are willing to talk about it. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other kids running around who are rape babies who have NO idea about it.

However, the point of the videos is to show that these would-be-abortions are VERY grateful for their lives, and they're offering another side to the whole "rape babies are pure mistakes who will be nothing but a burden" argument.

Also let me add, that I know plenty of very religious people who were not brought up in religious families, and plenty of non-religious people who were.

I'd be curious if your statement about them being confirmation bias is true, though...but it would be difficult to get an accurate poll of all the rape babies running around out there if the mothers don't want their kids to know it, and therefore never told them. I'd imagine that would be one of those very closely guarded secrets people keep.
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The notion that women should be forced to keep rape babies is insane. This video doesn't change that.

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Camper;33839 Wrote:
Emoticon;33806 Wrote:Confirmation bias at it's finest. You want something to be true so you find information that confirms it so you can feel better about yourself and your stance on the issue.

My nephew married an atheist girl from an atheist family who kept her rape baby. She was going to abort it, and had a change of heart in the waiting room.

And honestly, this video is only people who are willing to talk about it. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other kids running around who are rape babies who have NO idea about it.

However, the point of the videos is to show that these would-be-abortions are VERY grateful for their lives, and they're offering another side to the whole "rape babies are pure mistakes who will be nothing but a burden" argument.

Also let me add, that I know plenty of very religious people who were not brought up in religious families, and plenty of non-religious people who were.

I'd be curious if your statement about them being confirmation bias is true, though...but it would be difficult to get an accurate poll of all the rape babies running around out there if the mothers don't want their kids to know it, and therefore never told them. I'd imagine that would be one of those very closely guarded secrets people keep.

I didn't say they would be 100% religious looking at all the people who keep rape babies, but I did say the vast majority of them would be which would appear to hold true. In that 5 minute video I think I heard "god" or "god's plan" or something to the effect of that about 20 or 30 times total by ALL the women in that video. I don't see too many Atheists making that statement.

I wonder how many of these people truly realize that half of her helix is from a violent rapist? There is a lot of thinking right now in the scientific community that is thinking that rape might be something that has been selected for over time as without laws governing our actions someone who rapes 10 people in the time someone else has 1 child, the rapists' genetic material will by far be the most prolific. The intent of your physical body as a living organism is to make sure that its genetic material carries on. The exact gene has been yet to be specifically pinpointed in the things I've read, active research is being done. Even though I don't think many of these women are or will become serial rapists themselves, but the possibility may exist that at least some of them might end up visiting their kids behind bars for the crime the mother's father committed. Obviously genes don't make the person entirely free will plays it's very big part too, but genes can and do certainly tip the odds in their favor. What would that do to a "rape survivor's" mind, if they themselves had a child that went on to commit rape and started the cycle over again?

With regards to rape statistics I would believe that it would be hard to get remotely accurate statistics about rape if we lived in Saudi Arabia where getting raped increases the likelihood of being stoned to death in an honor killing. (I would imagine that the burka's would have a supressive effect on rape overall though versus what the number would be otherwise) However, what remains of the social stigma attached to rape is lower than ever as many many more women come forward than did in the past, and I should think that the recent statistics produced by first world nations like our own would be the most accurate available. That isn't to say that unreported rapes don't happen, but I should think that the highest rates of reporting happen in countries like this where the stigma is being broken down. The sheer number of rapes that occur every year would also give as close to a representative sample as I think you'll ever get with regards to the ethnic and religious affiliations of the people who are raped.

The other thing we can argue about is the fact that fetuses don't have the capacity to be grateful about anything at the point they are aborted. The ability to be grateful of what transpired is a development after the fact. Yep, I just opened that can of worms too sorry...

I know lots of people also who found Religion later in life. The 12 step program by itself produces thousands of "born again Christians" every year. Serial murders also tend to find god before being executed too. Is their finding god after the fact as valid as an "rape survivor" being grateful about life after the fact as well?
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