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Christian Gun Ownership
#1
I always enjoy reading some of these thoughts from the Christian Handgun Owners perspective. Isn't a side that was taught to me in church as I was growing up, yet it is there, if you get into the bible.

So, what are you thoughts? Can you be a devout Christian and still carry a firearm with intent of using it to kill someone if you have too and truly call yourself a Christian? I know a lot of Christians that would say no way. But I really do believe that the guy upstairs meant for us to defend ourselves.

And yes, I do realize that there are MILITANT CHRISTIANS out there that I think go to far.

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#2
People will point to that commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and claim that is an order that you shouldn't defend yourself with deadly force. The problem is as I recall that commandment was originally "Thou Shalt Not Murder", which is something completely different.

I see no problem with someone being a Christian and defending themselves with deadly force.
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#3
Luke 22:36 "And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

Jesus knew times would get dangerous and they should prepare themselves.

Also, in the Garden of Gethsemane, Peter pulled a sword to defend Jesus from arrest. Jesus told him to stand down, and told him to put his sword back in it's place. He didn't tell him to throw it away, rather "put it back in it's place". I take that to mean that it was part of his EDC gear. That is when Jesus says "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword". In this situation, Peter escalated the situation by introducing lethal force. It was to be an arrest, not a combat situation. I think Jesus's admonishment about living by the sword speaks to using lethal force for conflict resolution, not self defense. If you rush to the sword to solve your problems, you will eventually find someone that is better at defense than you are at offense, and you'll die by it.

Further, he has to be speaking about using a sword on offense because the man on defense doesn't have a choice about being in a sword fight. The defensive man will die by the sword anyway unless he is also armed and can defend himself, thus bringing about the resolution of the violent man dying by the sword.
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#4
Not a Christian but I do believe this right of self defense is in MOST religious dogma (except the more pacifist).

-There are clergy who have "bring your gun to church" days
-There is the group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://jpfo.org/
-League of Light http://www.cornerstonenr.org/SiteFiles/1...LEAGUE.pdf

And many, many more.


But I suspect that like most controversial passage readings, you will have folks on both sides of the aisle. There are many religious groups who are anti-gun specifically. They too point to religious passages to bolster their arguments.

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EVERY man, woman and child (no matter their religion, gender, sexual orientation, skin color......) should have the right to protect themselves from evil, crime, harm against "them and theirs".......
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#5
Plenty of Christians in my family that own firearms both for hunting and self defense. Some of them even live in California. Each one of them prays to never have to use them for that purpose, and I'm sure if they had to they would be filled with conflict and remorse. In the end its no different than marching off to war really, which we have done more times than needs mentioning in the name of Christianity.
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#6
We had a younger preacher in our church once that carried everywhere he went. He also rode a motorcycle everywhere and would scream at the umpires during church softball games from center field that they must be blind. He was the first person that made me realize you can be "human" and still be a Christian.

He is still a preacher, but is also a member of the Sheriffs Dept up in Potter County I think. He is totally pro gun / pro self defense.
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#7
As a devout Christian in a congregation with a fair share of current/former military, I can confidently say that no, defending oneself is NOT anti-Christian. As a matter of fact, it was Simon Peter who pulled out a weapon to defend Jesus at Gethsemane. Defense is distinct from murder.

Also, remember it was the use of the pulpit that helped move the Colonists in seeking their separation from England (which would explain the IRS forcing churches to NOT discuss politics or risk losing their tax exemption).
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#8
My Christian friend at work doesn't believe in self defense. I took him shooting, he did well, but when asked when he is getting his own he said that he isn't getting one because when it's his time, it's his time. He cited his own passages in the bible as well.

So I think there are Christians on both sides of the issue, and both sides can point to their own parts of the bible to justify their position.

However, I think the anti self defense Christians are in the minority, as evidenced by the fact that the membership of gun forums, clubs, preppers, etc, are mostly Christian.

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JustinHEMI;44865 Wrote:My Christian friend at work doesn't believe in self defense. I took him shooting, he did well, but when asked when he is getting his own he said that he isn't getting one because when it's his time, it's his time. He cited his own passages in the bible as well.

I wonder if he locks his doors? Would he use a fire extinguisher on a kitchen fire, or assume it was God's will? Hmm....if it were, should he even attempt to leave the house?

I am a Christian, and believe in God's omnipotence. I also believe that he heals, but I still seek a Dr.'s advice and care when needed. I believe that part of God's "blessings" and provision for me include medical knowledge and technological advancement which permit me to see after myself. I don't see that as "distrust" in God, or a dismissal of His power in any way.
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#10
It's my time when it's my time, and that's that whether I'm armed or not. But I also know that it's smart to wear seat belts, wash your hands before eating, and not screwing around when the kids have temperatures.

In short, even though God is in control and all things work according to His plan, that is not an excuse to sit around and do nothing, nor is it an excuse to abuse the life He gives us by being lazy and doing nothing for ourselves. That includes self defense.
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