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#21
The bible constantly reminds us that God is a "Vengeful God". Yet, everyone thinks that we are to remain totally docile in our actions.

When Moses parted the waters, God closed them on the army chasing him. Killed an awful lot of people.

He gave his people the Arc of the Covenant. Which held the power of God and allowed them to Strike down their enemies.

He brought down the walls of Jericho so the armies could capture the city.

He gave David great aim so he could "kill" the Giant. He didn't tell him to turn the other cheek.

Even god realized that since he gave us "freedom to do what we want". That there would be those that would try to do harm to those following him. If no one that believed in God ever stood up for themselves. There probably wouldn't be any of us left by now.
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#22
The LORD said to his disciples "If you do not have a sword, sell your spare cloak and buy one." -Paraphrasing obviously. You can research the actual literal scripture if you're interested.

It's a dangerous world, and we whom are blessed with life, health and loved ones are the chosen stewards and protectors of those blessings. The guardianship of one's life and loved ones is one of the noblest of responsibilities that accompany those great and wonderful blessings.

Streaker69, The actual wording in the original text was in-fact that one should not commit murder. It was written in Hewbrew. The word used was one which meant an unlawful killing. The King James version is old English and not always true to the meaning of the original scriptures. Fortunately the original scriptures and translation resources are freely available to anyone willing to learn. Additionally, the 10 Commandments themselves are paraphrasing and simplification of that translation.
"As I lay rubber down the street I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God, protect my sweet ride."
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#23
I never understood the mindset of if it is my time I will go.

The way I see it is if it is my time to go, whatever I do cannot help me, So what would it hurt for me to be prepared?

I feel I was put on this earth to help people, and how can I help people if my life is cut short by some scumbag who wants to take from me?

also, What if it is my path to make it someone else's time? What if it is part of my life experience to have to defend myself because I would not have come to a realization or taken a certain path in life unless having to do so? What if my carrying a gun is part of Gods plan for my life?
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#24
NuclearSociety;46639 Wrote:I never understood the mindset of if it is my time I will go.

The way I see it is if it is my time to go, whatever I do cannot help me, So what would it hurt for me to be prepared?

I feel I was put on this earth to help people, and how can I help people if my life is cut short by some scumbag who wants to take from me?

also, What if it is my path to make it someone else's time? What if it is part of my life experience to have to defend myself because I would not have come to a realization or taken a certain path in life unless having to do so? What if my carrying a gun is part of Gods plan for my life?

Even if someone believes that their time to go is preordained, there are some things worse than death in this world (especially for those who believe in an afterlife) that a criminal could do to a person or their family. Having a gun still makes sense, unless there is a moral belief that violence is never an appropriate response.
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#25
There are three things that one must remember about carrying a gun.

1) Is this an offensive or a defensive weapon?
I feel 99.9% of those on this and other firearms forums are not carrying from the offensive standpoint.
It is purely defensive.
There is no intent to kill.
We are protecting ourselves (and family and loved ones) from those that intend harm.

2) We have the right to defend ourselves, too!
Just because we have placed our faith in Jesus Christ and follow His ways does not mean we are giving up our rights to defend ourselves in the face of danger.
We maintain that right as does the next person.

3) There are two laws that Christians follow - God's law and the Constitutional (federal, state, and local) laws.
Our number one law we live by are the laws of God.
If, and only if, the laws of God and the laws of the land go against each other (one says you can do something while the other says you cannot), then we adhere to the laws of God.
Many feel the "Shall not Kill" of the 10 Commandments of the Bible to mean "any" type of killing.
It means you shall not murder!
Does this mean when a soldier is sent out to battle to defend his/her country that they cannot shoot back?
Of course not.
A soldier is not murdering since the other side is armed and firing back.
I spoke with a veteran of WWII that literally cried because he felt he could not get into heaven due to his killing on the battle field.
There is nothing in the Bible that says we must let ourselves be killed due to evil people wanting what everyone else has but they do not want to work for it so they will just go out and take it even if it means they will kill those who have it.

Many people misconstrue different areas of the Bible and this is one.

As food for thought many feel drinking alcohol is forbidden in the Bible but if you challenge them to show you where it states that they will not.
They can't - it does not say that.
It forbids drunkenness.

So those are my thoughts on a Christian carrying a weapon for self defense.

I hope that helps and I welcome and questions or thoughts on what I have stated.

Thanks and God bless!!

PPP
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#26
BTW, many have stated in their replys "if it is my time to go".

Who is to say it is not his time to go and I am just following the predetermined act?

Just a thought.

God bless!!

PPP
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#27
If the case should arise , God , I pray my aim is true and end this threat .


Amen.....!
dman, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#28
"Just believers in Christ that express that belief by living their everyday lives attempting to do their best to follow Christ. But they also acknowledge their human nature and occasional failures. The true Christian gun owner believes he/she is to be a servant to humanity. But that belief does but not extend to being a doormat to those who refuse to live by the rules of reasonable human behavior."

http://www.christiangunowner.com/
MikeP, just an old guy that smells of garlic.
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#29
If the LORD can admit the world is a dangerous place and that one should carry a sword in defense of their lives and families, few Christians should argue against that theologically or ideologically unless they follow some other scriptures or teachings outside of what's contained in the Bible. I suppose it's possible that another Christian or group of Christians subscribe to contrary theology. God has seen our ends as he has our beginnings, but he didn't create gunpowder for nothing. As my Pastor always says "Pray for God's will to be done and keep your powder dry."
"As I lay rubber down the street I pray for traction I can keep, but if I spin and begin to slide, please dear God, protect my sweet ride."
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#30
I 100% agree that an objective look at the Bible will show that God supports defending one's self - even to the point of killing an attacker.

I think that it is possible, though, for someone to acknowledge and support this and still use their freedom in Christ to be a pacifist. I think the problem with this, though, is that so many people - including myself far more than I want to admit - are bent on "converting" people to their side instead of informing people of the facts and letting them make their own decisions and then letting things go.
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