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Citizens Committee for the Right to Bear Arms Backs New Gun Law
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In a stunning turn of events the Citizens Committee for the Right to Bear Arms has come out in support of the newly proposed Manchin-Toomey gun control amendment to the Reid bill (S649), something no supporter of the 2nd amendment would believe.

We reject these groups and refuse to support them in any way, shape or form! They may accept this abomination of a law but we will not! Write your senators today and tell them we in no way endorse this law or the amendments to it.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/14/nr...nd-checks/

Bill text: http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Federal-Gun-Le...al-Law/391
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I wouldn't be so quick to attack them, DC.
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jahwarrior72;95724 Wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to attack them, DC.

Can you elaborate?

I'm really wanting to hear all the angles on this because I'm not sure my mind is fully made up in either direction.
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Camper;95732 Wrote:
jahwarrior72;95724 Wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to attack them, DC.

Can you elaborate?

I'm really wanting to hear all the angles on this because I'm not sure my mind is fully made up in either direction.

Not sure of the support, or not sure of the amendment?
The Second Amendment does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not infringe our right.
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The way I read it, and according to Alan Gottlieb, the bill has a few Easter eggs in it. It would provide an inroads towards national carry, allow FFLs to sell to out-of-staters, and make the use of sales databases as a registry a federal offense, punishable by a 15 year sentence. All this in exchange for expanded background checks, which would NOT include violating doctor/patient privilege, and transfers between family members would remain the same.

It sounds like an actual, real compromise. Of course, the grabbers will go monnkeyshit, and the bill would be DOA, in all likelihood, which works out for us, too. Then Obama will blame Republicans for not compromising, and nothing will be done at all.

Gottlieb, by the way, is more trustworthy than anyy schmuck from the NRA. He's been a hardliner from day one, and has been consistenly, and adamantly, a Constitutionalist. I would rather have him representing me than anyone NRA shill.

You know shit is getting crazy when I'm being the reasonable one, LOL.
Of course, I could be all wrong about the man. But his area of expertise is the law, not lobbying, and that'swhere he's focused his efforts.
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jahwarrior72;95739 Wrote:The way I read it,

and make the use of sales databases as a registry a federal offense, punishable by a 15 year sentence.

Read that part of the amendment again and see exactly who is restricted from making a registry.

Quote:© Prohibition of National Gun Registry.-Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
"(m) The Attorney General may not consolidate or centralize the records of the-
"(1) acquisition or disposition of firearms, or any portion thereof, maintained by-
"(A) a person with a valid, current license under this chapter;
"(B) an unlicensed transferor under section 922(t); or
"(2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity.".

inclusio unius exclusio alterius
By specifically mentioning that the AG may not it allows any other to do so.
The Second Amendment does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not infringe our right.
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jahwarrior72;95739 Wrote:The way I read it, and according to Alan Gottlieb, the bill has a few Easter eggs in it. It would provide an inroads towards national carry, allow FFLs to sell to out-of-staters, and make the use of sales databases as a registry a federal offense, punishable by a 15 year sentence. All this in exchange for expanded background checks, which would NOT include violating doctor/patient privilege, and transfers between family members would remain the same.

It sounds like an actual, real compromise. Of course, the grabbers will go monnkeyshit, and the bill would be DOA, in all likelihood, which works out for us, too. Then Obama will blame Republicans for not compromising, and nothing will be done at all.

Gottlieb, by the way, is more trustworthy than anyy schmuck from the NRA. He's been a hardliner from day one, and has been consistenly, and adamantly, a Constitutionalist. I would rather have him representing me than anyone NRA shill.

You know shit is getting crazy when I'm being the reasonable one, LOL.
Of course, I could be all wrong about the man. But his area of expertise is the law, not lobbying, and that'swhere he's focused his efforts.

I don't agree because of this:

Quote:"(b) Authorization.-Notwithstanding any provision of any law (including a rule or regulation) of a State or any political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by this chapter from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm or ammunition shall be entitled to-
"(1) transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where the person may lawfully possess, carry, or transport the firearm to any other such place if, during the transportation-

To me that sounds just about what we have now. In other words NJ doesn't allow 'lawful possession' so you can't go there under this.
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jahwarrior72;95739 Wrote:It sounds like an actual, real compromise. Of course, the grabbers will go monnkeyshit, and the bill would be DOA, in all likelihood, which works out for us, too. Then Obama will blame Republicans for not compromising, and nothing will be done at all.

Jah, when compromises are made on the political level (Senate and House) we "the people" are footed the bill and will "always" wind up with the short end of the stick.
Why would they make a "compromise" if they would not benefit from it the most.
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