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Your thoughts on the following article please.

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Quote: Police confiscated a shotgun from a Hazleton apartment building Thursday after officers were dispatched to Pine Street Playground for a report of a verbal dispute between two women and a man involving a handgun.

Minutes after the 11:46 a.m. Luzerne County 911 dispatch, city police were told those involved in the fight were inside an apartment building about a block away from the playground.

Officers surrounded the building at 49 N. Pine St., where they found a shotgun inside the attic of one of the second-floor apartment units.

Two women were inside the apartment with three small children, police said, and the women admitted to being involved in a verbal dispute, along with an unidentified man, prior to officers' arrival.

The women, police said, denied any weapons being involved and allowed officers to search the home for the man and firearms.

No one else, including the man, was found inside the home, but the shotgun was taken by officers after none of the occupants could prove ownership.
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That's bs. In PA you don't need/wont always have proof that you own a shotgun. Besides, the burden should be on the cops to prove its stolen.

The woman never should have agreed to the search.
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rmagill;42475 Wrote:That's bs. In PA you don't need/wont always have proof that you own a shotgun. Besides, the burden should be on the cops to prove its stolen.

The woman never should have agreed to the search.

Agree, but this area of Hazleton is drug and gang central. So knowing that who ever owned that shotgun, there is a good chance they are prohibited.
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cgbudde;42497 Wrote:
rmagill;42475 Wrote:That's bs. In PA you don't need/wont always have proof that you own a shotgun. Besides, the burden should be on the cops to prove its stolen.

The woman never should have agreed to the search.

Agree, but this area of Hazleton is drug and gang central. So knowing that who ever owned that shotgun, there is a good chance they are prohibited.

"a good chance" is not a good enough reason to confiscate a weapon. On that logic, any weapon in Hazelton that can not immediately be proven to be owned by you can be confiscated based on a "good chance".
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cgbudde;42497 Wrote:
rmagill;42475 Wrote:That's bs. In PA you don't need/wont always have proof that you own a shotgun. Besides, the burden should be on the cops to prove its stolen.

The woman never should have agreed to the search.

Agree, but this area of Hazleton is drug and gang central. So knowing that who ever owned that shotgun, there is a good chance they are prohibited.

I refrained from putting that tidbit in my initial post. You are spot on about the neighborhood, I will not deny that. In actuality I think that is a fair assessment of the entire city of Hazleton at this point. The 911 call mentioned a male and a handgun, neither of which were located. Okay that is sketchy no doubt. It doesn't mention charges against either of the two women, such as possession of firearms by a prohibited person.

My refute is, what if you or I were living in that neighborhood? While it is dwindling, most parts of Hazleton still do have a few old timers clinging onto their family homes. I have several firearms that I cannot provide proof of ownership for. If I get into a shouting match up the street at the playground and somebody calls 911 saying they think the other guy has a gun, should my firearms be confiscated?
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If the shotgun was not involved in the altercation and they had to search the home for it, they had no right to keep it, unless they found out the occupants had criminal records or something.
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I don't think so. I firmly believe it is better to let 1000 guilty go than punish one innocent person.

csmith;42502 Wrote:
cgbudde;42497 Wrote:Agree, but this area of Hazleton is drug and gang central. So knowing that who ever owned that shotgun, there is a good chance they are prohibited.

I refrained from putting that tidbit in my initial post. You are spot on about the neighborhood, I will not deny that. In actuality I think that is a fair assessment of the entire city of Hazleton at this point. The 911 call mentioned a male and a handgun, neither of which were located. Okay that is sketchy no doubt. It doesn't mention charges against either of the two women, such as possession of firearms by a prohibited person.

My refute is, what if you or I were living in that neighborhood? While it is dwindling, most parts of Hazleton still do have a few old timers clinging onto their family homes. I have several firearms that I cannot provide proof of ownership for. If I get into a shouting match up the street at the playground and somebody calls 911 saying they think the other guy has a gun, should my firearms be confiscated?
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csmith;42468 Wrote:Your thoughts on the following article please.

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Quote: Police confiscated a shotgun from a Hazleton apartment building Thursday after officers were dispatched to Pine Street Playground for a report of a verbal dispute between two women and a man involving a handgun.

Minutes after the 11:46 a.m. Luzerne County 911 dispatch, city police were told those involved in the fight were inside an apartment building about a block away from the playground.

Officers surrounded the building at 49 N. Pine St., where they found a shotgun inside the attic of one of the second-floor apartment units.

Two women were inside the apartment with three small children, police said, and the women admitted to being involved in a verbal dispute, along with an unidentified man, prior to officers' arrival.

The women, police said, denied any weapons being involved and allowed officers to search the home for the man and firearms.

No one else, including the man, was found inside the home, but the shotgun was taken by officers after none of the occupants could prove ownership.

They should never have opened the door for the cops to begin with, let alone allowed them to search the home. Stupid is as stupid does.

DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR FOR COPS. SPEAK TO THEM FROM A 2nd FLOOR FRONT WINDOW. AND DO NOT EVER LET THEM IN YOUR HOUSE.
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csmith;42502 Wrote:
cgbudde;42497 Wrote:Agree, but this area of Hazleton is drug and gang central. So knowing that who ever owned that shotgun, there is a good chance they are prohibited.

I refrained from putting that tidbit in my initial post. You are spot on about the neighborhood, I will not deny that. In actuality I think that is a fair assessment of the entire city of Hazleton at this point. The 911 call mentioned a male and a handgun, neither of which were located. Okay that is sketchy no doubt. It doesn't mention charges against either of the two women, such as possession of firearms by a prohibited person.

My refute is, what if you or I were living in that neighborhood? While it is dwindling, most parts of Hazleton still do have a few old timers clinging onto their family homes. I have several firearms that I cannot provide proof of ownership for. If I get into a shouting match up the street at the playground and somebody calls 911 saying they think the other guy has a gun, should my firearms be confiscated?

All true, but there is more to this story. All occupants of the house stated the shotgun was not theres and they did not know it was there or who owned it, so based on that information wouldn't it justify the officers removing said firearm.
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#10
Why is Hazelton a shithole?

I look at it on Streetview and it looks like most of the towns in Delaware County.

Allentown too expensive for hood rats or something?
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