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Collected water and winter freeze????'s
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What do you do with your saved water over the winter? At the moment my three barrel's are filled with 150+ gallons of water. Will heavy plastic Barrels crack from freezing? Should I just dump them for the Winter and stay on the safe side? Thanks for any replies!
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#2
Just add some antifreeze. Smile
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Daycrawler;35112 Wrote:What do you do with your saved water over the winter? At the moment my three barrel's are filled with 150+ gallons of water. Will heavy plastic Barrels crack from freezing? Should I just dump them for the Winter and stay on the safe side? Thanks for any replies!

I have seen those barrels get pretty beat up without much effort. I haven't personally seen one burst from frozen water, but it does seem pretty likely to happen with enough water. If you decide to keep water in it, I would make sure there is enough room to let the water expand safely (i.e. into the remaining area in the barrel and not out through the sides/top).

Given the results of Sandy, the pending poor weather, and the election, I would be hesitant to get rid of any stored resources any time soon... Just my .02, and probably not worth that much. Tongue
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#4
You should probably lower the level in them if they're outside and freeze. Take at a minimum 5 gallons out if they're filled to the top.

My potable water drums are in my basement so I'm not worried about them freezing, but I do have a non-potable water drum outside that's currently overflowing due to the storm. I'll reduce that one soon. That drum has been frozen solid every winter for the past few years and it's holding up real well. No splits or cracks, but I always drain some out.
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Water freezes on the surface first. It creates a "lid" so to speak. A straight sided barrel is less likely to burst than one with a convex side, (bellied out in the center), or contoured side (ridges around the circumference) unless a barrel with a convex shape is less than half full allowing the expanding water to push that frozen cap up with little to no resistance.
When water freezes it expands by about 10% of it's original volume.
I would think that if you leave the barrels less than half full you will probably be OK, but if you need the water and it's an ice cube half the size of a 55 gallon drum it isn't going to do a lot of good for you anyhow.
I think you'd actually be better off getting some smaller buckets to store as much water as you want or have room for in a place that won't freeze, like your basement, and leave the barrels empty for the winter
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My question is if this is potable water what good is it going to be to you frozen? You might as well dump it, and store some in 2 liter bottles wherever you have room.
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God's Country;35549 Wrote:My question is if this is potable water what good is it going to be to you frozen? You might as well dump it, and store some in 2 liter bottles wherever you have room.

2 liter bottles store almost anywhere. In closets, under your bed, behind the couch,..use your imagination.

A few drops of chlorine bleach to kill unfriendly bacteria or whatever other nasty microorganisms that may have found their way into the water is a good safety precaution.

Half gallon and one gallon milk jugs (or whatever beverage) aren't a good choice for potable water. They are LDPE, (low density polyethylene), and aren't as durable as the clear HDPE, (high density polyethylene), soda/pop bottles, they don't store as well and are slightly porous.
The one, two and three liter clear plastic bottles are a better choice for potable water but for short term storage either will suffice as long as they are thoroughly cleaned before filling them.
If your intention is for flushing rather than cooking/drinking, anything goes, just make sure it's properly identified and everyone understands the identification.
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ExcelToExcel;35121 Wrote:Just add some antifreeze. Smile
OMG thats such a great idea! Big Grin why didnt I think of that?
God's Country;35549 Wrote:My question is if this is potable water what good is it going to be to you frozen? You might as well dump it, and store some in 2 liter bottles wherever you have room.
Ice melts so I could bust off a chunk if needed. I have five sources of water. Rain collection, Pool, Sump pump, Stream & bottled water. Six if I count the well, however the pump is not set up yet for generator power. That may be over board, but water is the key to life!

Maybe Ill empty the Drums and move them indoors.
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#9
Two of the drums are empty, the third is draining now. I am going to move them inside and add well water and Bleach.

Any one know the Bleach to Gallon of water formula ???
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Here ya go: http://www.pa2a.org/thread-liquid-storag...06#pid3406
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