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pinhead1979;147302 Wrote:
JustinHEMI;147301 Wrote:Because pot stirring is fun.

I don't see it being an issue here in Pa.

This isn't a pro or anti open carry thread. Most if the reasons that you citied against it have been debunked, but if you want to discuss it, we'll start another thread.

This thread is only about open carry purely to thumb my nose at MDA.

Justin

I don't need to discuss the open carry topic. It's not something I'm interested in, as stated in my reasoning. To be clear, the reasons I stated are just my personal reasons not to open carry. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just wrong for me. Nothing more, or less. And besides, as with any argument, me having reasons to conceal my sidearm, has no effect on you open carrying yours. This is literally a "to-each-his-own" type of situation.

And like I said, schooling morons is fun, I know. I do it on a constant basis in regards to a wide range of topics, but giving them what they want doesn't really seem to be anything more than fun, and in turn can be counterproductive in the grand scheme. I can drop some knowledge on one of those dumb bastards without having my pistol visible. Open carrying for the sake of pissing people off doesn't really do anything other than the intended result of pissing people off.

I stopped open carrying to stop being noticed as well. With my job, any police interaction could be the end, and after reading how random idiots called the police on viper, I decided that it wasn't worth the risk.

You're right, open carry just to piss off people that have no interest in facts or rational adult discussion doesn't accomplish anything.

Thanks.


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#12
We need to support each other. Despite the extremists, we can't back down because of them. I'm going to come out of retirement.

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Good points all around. I'm going to ponder on it.

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#13
Camper;147303 Wrote:My concern is that with all the attention right now being placed on these people open carrying rifles, and quite a large number of people (even gun rights enthusiasts in this thread) siding with the organization even if its because carrying rifles openly is a "bad idea" and "sends the wrong message," these MDA groups and other like them will take the momentum of the lack of approval for public displays of firearms (as it applies to rifles) and lump open carrying pistol carriers into the group as well, causing stores and businesses to lay down the policies that NO firearms are allowed, because they are unable to distinguish between open rifles/pistols or concealed pistols.

OCT has stopped open carrying rifles to places like target as a form of protest, but MDA continues to attack. However, based on targets Facebook page, I don't see that they're winning the fight. For every one target boycotter that posts, 10 more come out in support.

MDA has been shown to be making fake Facebook profiles to boost their numbers as well. It's sad. Some neurotic mom will post something against target and gun owners, and there will be a string of supporters that created their profiles within minutes of the post.

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#14
I see more supporters than detractors to be honest.

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#15
I haven't stopped OCing. 48 years of living in Maryland and it's going to take a lot more than MDA for me to give it up again. Ever.

I have received more positive comments lately, say in the past couple months. Is it a reaction to recent publicity? I can't say. I can say I refuse to believe my open carry of a holstered pistol with obvious retention while not wearing pajamas and dressed like an escapee from a pajama party has in any way fueled the fires of the anti-gun crowd.

And I challenge anyone else to say it with similar conviction until they've tried/done it.

Open carry, among other things, is not only an opportunity to express and exercise the 1st and 2nd Amendment simultaneously, it is also an opportunity to disprove and debunk SO many myths and logical fallacies so aftern tossed about by the anti-gun crowd, and sometimes, even by our fellow gun carriers, as shown above. Rolleyes

I say choose whatever method of carry works for you, but for the love logic, please, find sound reasoning. There are so many good reasons, why continue spreading the bad ones around? Shrug

It's been 5 1/2 years now for me. I'm still waiting for my first bad encounter. My most recent good one was with another 5-year old who said he liked the "USA flag" grips on my pistol. He noticed them while we were both checking out groceries at Aldi. I immediately checked for his mother's reaction and noticed she was beaming and grinning from ear-to-ear, not sure what that meant, but she sure wasn't scowling, so I continued to chat with the boy withing earshot of his mother for a few seconds and then we all made our way to our cars.

Another happy moment among hundreds? ...thousands? ...that I would never have had if I concealed. I dunno, maybe you have to lose these rights to appreciate them the way I do. I hear some say things along the lines of "I conceal because I don't want to lose the right." Buddy there is no quicker road. Ask anyone from Maryland. The last rally the held in Annapolis they stopped counting at something over 6,000. What did we have at Harrisburg, a couple hundred? Maryland will never get the right back. Get that? Never.

I open carry for many reasons, really, but one of the big ones for me is to keep it alive. If it disappears, and no ones doing it anyway, it's a walk in the park to legislate it away. Look how it's grown in the past 5-10 years here in PA and around the country. No, the momentum IS NOT with MDA, it is with us, and it will remain with us until and unless we forfeit it.

-End of rant-

Justin, glad to have you back. If you're going to open carry, then yes, OC with discretion. As we both know you have a lot at risk.

PS: I have never open carried any of my long guns anywhere outside of a range or my back patio, in case anyone is curious. I'm a big fan of keeping the right to open carry a long gun, because I want to be able to exercise that right should I decide the time has come, just not the everyday practice.

PPS: I honestly hope no one feels personally attacked by my rant, but 48 years of life in Maryland along with the endless drum-beating of "the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent!!!" followed by "uh-huh, ah know dat's right." ...well, sometimes I react with a bit of passion when I think I'm catching a whiff of the same kind of rhetoric today. So just think of it as a rant thrown out there for general consideration.

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#16
i open carry my 2 springfields everyday. i really dont give a damn if home depot, starbucks or the local moms against everything cares. my personal protections is more important to me to be bullied into their irrational fears
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#17
I think I'm gonna start open carrying, too.
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#18
jahwarrior72;147371 Wrote:I think I'm gonna start open carrying, too.

Wait a minute now, nobody ever said anything about brown people....

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You'll fuck it up for all of us...

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#19
You know what, though, Justin?

As they say, if you OC to make a point, maybe you're doing it for the wrong reason.

OR, maybe it's a right reason, but maybe it's the wrong reason to put your livelihood in jeopardy given the nexus of two factors that could run you on the rocks.

What I'm saying is, maybe let someone with less to lose make the point.
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#20
Curmudgeon;147344 Wrote:I haven't stopped OCing. 48 years of living in Maryland and it's going to take a lot more than MDA for me to give it up again. Ever.

I have received more positive comments lately, say in the past couple months. Is it a reaction to recent publicity? I can't say. I can say I refuse to believe my open carry of a holstered pistol with obvious retention while not wearing pajamas and dressed like an escapee from a pajama party has in any way fueled the fires of the anti-gun crowd.

And I challenge anyone else to say it with similar conviction until they've tried/done it.

Open carry, among other things, is not only an opportunity to express and exercise the 1st and 2nd Amendment simultaneously, it is also an opportunity to disprove and debunk SO many myths and logical fallacies so aftern tossed about by the anti-gun crowd, and sometimes, even by our fellow gun carriers, as shown above. Rolleyes

I say choose whatever method of carry works for you, but for the love logic, please, find sound reasoning. There are so many good reasons, why continue spreading the bad ones around? Shrug

It's been 5 1/2 years now for me. I'm still waiting for my first bad encounter. My most recent good one was with another 5-year old who said he liked the "USA flag" grips on my pistol. He noticed them while we were both checking out groceries at Aldi. I immediately checked for his mother's reaction and noticed she was beaming and grinning from ear-to-ear, not sure what that meant, but she sure wasn't scowling, so I continued to chat with the boy withing earshot of his mother for a few seconds and then we all made our way to our cars.

Another happy moment among hundreds? ...thousands? ...that I would never have had if I concealed. I dunno, maybe you have to lose these rights to appreciate them the way I do. I hear some say things along the lines of "I conceal because I don't want to lose the right." Buddy there is no quicker road. Ask anyone from Maryland. The last rally the held in Annapolis they stopped counting at something over 6,000. What did we have at Harrisburg, a couple hundred? Maryland will never get the right back. Get that? Never.

I open carry for many reasons, really, but one of the big ones for me is to keep it alive. If it disappears, and no ones doing it anyway, it's a walk in the park to legislate it away. Look how it's grown in the past 5-10 years here in PA and around the country. No, the momentum IS NOT with MDA, it is with us, and it will remain with us until and unless we forfeit it.

-End of rant-

Justin, glad to have you back. If you're going to open carry, then yes, OC with discretion. As we both know you have a lot at risk.

PS: I have never open carried any of my long guns anywhere outside of a range or my back patio, in case anyone is curious. I'm a big fan of keeping the right to open carry a long gun, because I want to be able to exercise that right should I decide the time has come, just not the everyday practice.

PPS: I honestly hope no one feels personally attacked by my rant, but 48 years of life in Maryland along with the endless drum-beating of "the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent!!!" followed by "uh-huh, ah know dat's right." ...well, sometimes I react with a bit of passion when I think I'm catching a whiff of the same kind of rhetoric today. So just think of it as a rant thrown out there for general consideration.

Here ends the epistle from uncle james. Angel
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I think we are lucky to live in the harrisburg/lancaster/york area. ive never had problems.
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