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Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas
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ByblosHex;112328 Wrote:If there weren't quotas, you wouldn't see huge spikes in pullovers near the end of each month. The last time I was driving through Levittown/Bensalem I at first thought there was a national catastrophe before I realized it was just their end of the month pull-everybody-over event.

"There's no such thing as quotas" is one of those lies that it would be so easy for a journalist or college kid to disprove using publicly-available information.

A simple statistical analysis of the count of citations issued in segments of 36 or so months would probably be quite illuminating.
gascolator, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Nov 2012.
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Quotas.... do they exist.. YUP! But not everywhere. In Pa. They seem to be way more prevalent on the eastern side. I know of one town cough..cough.. Horsham that required 15 tickets a month from patrol and 100 tickets a month from traffic officers or else you were "'re educated".

On the western side you don't see quotas.. perhaps because of the heavier blue collar union mentality...I don't know.

Police departments do have the right to enforce performance standards but the question is what are they? I would argue that an officer with no tickets for the year that has found 20 open doors to businesses at 0-dark 30 is probably doing a better job policing his community than the traffic hammer with 200 traffic tags for the year...and does little else.
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steelcityk9cop;112341 Wrote:Quotas.... do they exist.. YUP! But not everywhere. In Pa. They seem to be way more prevalent on the eastern side. I know of one town cough..cough.. Horsham that required 15 tickets a month from patrol and 100 tickets a month from traffic officers or else you were "'re educated".

On the western side you don't see quotas.. perhaps because of the heavier blue collar union mentality...I don't know.

Police departments do have the right to enforce performance standards but the question is what are they? I would argue that an officer with no tickets for the year that has found 20 open doors to businesses at 0-dark 30 is probably doing a better job policing his community than the traffic hammer with 200 traffic tags for the year...and does little else.

That's exactly the context in which I heard quotas being talked about in a PD was "performance standards". While they didn't have it as an official policy, the officers were unofficially expected to write so many tickets per month.

I'd say that's the lazy way of determining performance.
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streaker69;112343 Wrote:
steelcityk9cop;112341 Wrote:Quotas.... do they exist.. YUP! But not everywhere. In Pa. They seem to be way more prevalent on the eastern side. I know of one town cough..cough.. Horsham that required 15 tickets a month from patrol and 100 tickets a month from traffic officers or else you were "'re educated".

On the western side you don't see quotas.. perhaps because of the heavier blue collar union mentality...I don't know.

Police departments do have the right to enforce performance standards but the question is what are they? I would argue that an officer with no tickets for the year that has found 20 open doors to businesses at 0-dark 30 is probably doing a better job policing his community than the traffic hammer with 200 traffic tags for the year...and does little else.

That's exactly the context in which I heard quotas being talked about in a PD was "performance standards". While they didn't have it as an official policy, the officers were unofficially expected to write so many tickets per month.

I'd say that's the lazy way of determining performance.

Bad departments can swap the word quota for performance standard bit in the end they will get burnt just the same.... no one used the word "quota" out in the open.

Good departments will actually have measurable standards that focus on the goals of the department... park checks.... foot patrols... business checks... self initiated activity. Key word....GOOD.
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You can call a turd a diamond, but its still brown and stinks.
LostCyborg, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Jun 2013.

You wouldn't be able to run as many people over with that car if it didn't drive as far. It should only have a 10 gallon fuel tank.
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steelcityk9cop;112341 Wrote:Police departments do have the right to enforce performance standards but the question is what are they? I would argue that an officer with no tickets for the year that has found 20 open doors to businesses at 0-dark 30 is probably doing a better job policing his community than the traffic hammer with 200 traffic tags for the year...and does little else.

That is a supervisory issue. If the traffic hammer rates better than the guy protecting the property of the public, then the supervisor has a skewed view of what their department is for.

That's not to say there is no importance in maintaining traffic safety, all I'm saying is that should never be the primary focus.

If you have a town with a 'bad neighborhood' with lots of crime, and a bunch of cops writing traffic tickets, then the police are permitting that 'bad neighborhood' to exist through their negligence.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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