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Could Karl Rove Ditch the Tea Party; Or: Is Tea Party Dead?
#21
MrPeanut;41504 Wrote:
longcall911;41092 Wrote:The TEA Party is not dead, nor irrelevant, nor funded by anyone other than members, nor is it the GOP establishment, nor Libertarian RP drones, nor douchebags, nor extremists. If you think so, you also like Kool-Aid.

The TEA Party is thousands of small independent groups with a goal of 1. Limited Government 2. Individual Rights 3. Low Taxes. Most TEA Parties are non-partisan, but clearly conservative. Most TEA Parties take no stand on social issues. Most TEA Parties are 501C not-for-profit organizations so they can not be 'activist' in nature, can not endorse candidates, and are limited to educating on the issues.

The GOP leadership hates the TEA Party because the GOP Leadership is comprised of statists who want big-government and high taxes. The ideological differences are stark, except when it comes time for campaigning. Then the GOP calls all conservatives to send money for RINOs because "we conservative must stick together". That's the game they try to play.

They caucus with the GOP. Therefore they are irrelevant.

They need to break off and form their own political party.

Oh, so only the only way to impact government is by caucus?

You really have no idea. The TEA Party focuses on communicating with elected legislators, holding their feet to the the fire of conservative fiscal principles. That work has nothing to do with the Republican party, or any other party. Holding legislators accountable through massive communication campaigns and and visiting their local offices is in fact extremely relevant.

I suggest that you dig a bit deeper before repeating the venomous progressive narrative.
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#22
longcall911;41512 Wrote:
MrPeanut;41504 Wrote:They caucus with the GOP. Therefore they are irrelevant.

They need to break off and form their own political party.

Oh, so only the only way to impact government is by caucus?

You really have no idea. The TEA Party focuses on communicating with elected legislators, holding their feet to the the fire of conservative fiscal principles. That work has nothing to do with the Republican party, or any other party. Holding legislators accountable through massive communication campaigns and and visiting their local offices is in fact extremely relevant.

I suggest that you dig a bit deeper before repeating the venomous progressive narrative.

Yeah, the suburban voters just outside Philly dug deep into their day planners to make sure they had time to turn up at the polling stations to more than cancel out your vote.

Someone wake me when there's a tea candidate here in Eastern PA who isn't funded by SuperPACs that are incestuous with the extant GOP establishment.
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#23
longcall911;41512 Wrote:
MrPeanut;41504 Wrote:They caucus with the GOP. Therefore they are irrelevant.

They need to break off and form their own political party.

Oh, so only the only way to impact government is by caucus?

You really have no idea. The TEA Party focuses on communicating with elected legislators, holding their feet to the the fire of conservative fiscal principles. That work has nothing to do with the Republican party, or any other party. Holding legislators accountable through massive communication campaigns and and visiting their local offices is in fact extremely relevant.

I suggest that you dig a bit deeper before repeating the venomous progressive narrative.

Sorry, I really do have very pragmatic ideas.

And when did I spout progressive anything?

I am posing pragmatic questions as to their effectiveness in the last election, and coming up the the ones two years from now.

How are they going to be relevant with a changing voting demographic?
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ArcticSplash;41527 Wrote:Yeah, the suburban voters just outside Philly dug deep into their day planners to make sure they had time to turn up at the polling stations to more than cancel out your vote.

Someone wake me when there's a tea candidate here in Eastern PA who isn't funded by SuperPACs that are incestuous with the extant GOP establishment.

Oh ok…. So now Philly suburbs are the TEA party’s fault. Oh, and we need an Eastern PA candidate that the TEA party supports and that the GOP SuperPACs do not support in order to satisfy your requirement for legitimacy.

There are a great many people fighting a very difficult ground war against the progressive-socialist-democrats and the GOP establishment, and who go out and support local conservatives, state level conservatives, and national level conservatives. Not all of those candidates win. Not all who win turn out to be what was expected. But at the end of the day, government is far more conservative than it would be without the war that the TEA Party wages.

Let me ask, what have you done to stop the march of socialism in this country? My guess is zero, zip, nada. Yet you will sit there and trash a group of people who have fought long and hard, accusing them of somehow using or capitalizing on GOP SuperPAC funds, which is a line of total bullshit.

If the TEA Party supports a candidate, it is because he/she is the most conservative candidate running for that office. If a GOP SuperPAC also decides to support that candidate, then the TEA Party should walk away? WTF?

Do you realize that there is no centralization in the TEA Party? There is no overarching structure, or organization. There is no nomination process, no candidate review process, no national program or set of goals, and little to no communication between the thousands of Tea Parties across the nation. It is made up of people who self-organize around issues. It was a response to socialized medicine being forced down our throats, and is today, a bunch of individuals fighting for individual rights and limited government.

Your characterization is in lockstep with the image that progressive-socialist-democrats portray of their enemy, Tea party conservatives.
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MrPeanut;41551 Wrote:Sorry, I really do have very pragmatic ideas.

And when did I spout progressive anything?

I am posing pragmatic questions as to their effectiveness in the last election, and coming up the the ones two years from now.

How are they going to be relevant with a changing voting demographic?

How exactly is calling the TEA Party “irrelevant” a pragmatic idea? It is nothing more than an uninformed opinion.

When did you spout progressive anything? Here: “The tea party is not dead. It has been rendered irrelevant.” It is the standard liberal/progressive/socialist distortion in a very specific attempt to marginalize, label, and silence their opposition. . . the Tea Party.

You didn’t pose any “pragmatic “ questions. In fact, you asked no questions at all. You simply made accusations of irrelevancy and made a suggestion to create a 3rd party. Let me address that now. A third party cannot succeed. A third party will be crushed by both current parties. The TEA Party (and the country) is best served by accomplishing a conservative majority within the GOP and ultimately securing leadership positions. The RINOs will do, and are doing, everything possible to prevent that. Regardless, that is where the battle is being fought.

As for a changing demographic, I believe there is no plan to deal with that. From what I see, demographics is simply not a Tea Party issue. Tea Party issues are 1. Individual Rights 2. Limited government 3. Low taxes. I don’t see demographics as being relative to that fight.

You seem to want to the TEA Party to address the welfare state and the entitlement culture. I don’t see that happening in any sort of direct way. All demographics are welcome within the various TEA Parties. The qualifier is only that people hold individual rights in high regard.

So, the only way for the TEA Party to be relevant to the “changing voting demographic” is to educate people as to how being dependent on government is being controlled by government. Some will chose to change and to fight for freedom. Others will not.

In either case, don’t expect the TEA Party to save the world. The socialists are in charge now and it is not the TEA Party’s fault. It is the fault of those who voted for Obama and to some extent, those who didn’t vote to stop him.

Welcome to Obama’s America. . . 2016.
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#26
Pretty cool watching all these defeated R's repeat DNC talking points about the tea party being dead, and insisting it's true.

I am the tea party...i'm hardly dead. Long Call is the tea party....he doesn't seem dead either.
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Valorius;41701 Wrote:Pretty cool watching all these defeated R's repeat DNC talking points about the tea party being dead, and insisting it's true.

I am the tea party...i'm hardly dead. Long Call is the tea party....he doesn't seem dead either.

see, something that could be problematic for viewers of the tea party is that a lot of their 'members/supporters' support typical GOP hacks when it's time to vote, like you did. if one were to quickly browse around on this forum and look at your posts, they'll see that you were cheering HARD for a Romney win and predicting not only a landslide in PA (total FAIL) but a landslide in the overall election (another total FAIL).

this is why I mentioned in another thread that until the tea party supporters totally separate them self from the GOP, they'll be lumped into the GOP.
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#28
longcall911;41697 Wrote:
MrPeanut;41551 Wrote:Sorry, I really do have very pragmatic ideas.

And when did I spout progressive anything?

I am posing pragmatic questions as to their effectiveness in the last election, and coming up the the ones two years from now.

How are they going to be relevant with a changing voting demographic?

How exactly is calling the TEA Party “irrelevant” a pragmatic idea? It is nothing more than an uninformed opinion.

When did you spout progressive anything? Here: “The tea party is not dead. It has been rendered irrelevant.” It is the standard liberal/progressive/socialist distortion in a very specific attempt to marginalize, label, and silence their opposition. . . the Tea Party.

You didn’t pose any “pragmatic “ questions. In fact, you asked no questions at all. You simply made accusations of irrelevancy and made a suggestion to create a 3rd party. Let me address that now. A third party cannot succeed. A third party will be crushed by both current parties. The TEA Party (and the country) is best served by accomplishing a conservative majority within the GOP and ultimately securing leadership positions. The RINOs will do, and are doing, everything possible to prevent that. Regardless, that is where the battle is being fought.

As for a changing demographic, I believe there is no plan to deal with that. From what I see, demographics is simply not a Tea Party issue. Tea Party issues are 1. Individual Rights 2. Limited government 3. Low taxes. I don’t see demographics as being relative to that fight.

You seem to want to the TEA Party to address the welfare state and the entitlement culture. I don’t see that happening in any sort of direct way. All demographics are welcome within the various TEA Parties. The qualifier is only that people hold individual rights in high regard.

So, the only way for the TEA Party to be relevant to the “changing voting demographic” is to educate people as to how being dependent on government is being controlled by government. Some will chose to change and to fight for freedom. Others will not.

In either case, don’t expect the TEA Party to save the world. The socialists are in charge now and it is not the TEA Party’s fault. It is the fault of those who voted for Obama and to some extent, those who didn’t vote to stop him.

Welcome to Obama’s America. . . 2016.

Is whining at me helping you vent?
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#29
MrPeanut;41926 Wrote:Is whining at me helping you vent?

Vent? I have nothing to vent or whine about.

I am defending a group of people who have been vilified and unfairly labeled in this thread. That is not venting. That is defending those who in my view are the innocent. When the TEA party is attacked with the same labels that progressives use, I respond. Always have. Always will.

My observation is that a number of people on this board are more concerned about the TEA party than with the democrat-socialists who are running this economy into the ground and willfully creating a dependent society.

And, I want to be sure that if blame is to be issued, it goes to those who voted for these socialists, not to those who have been standing against them.
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#30
andrewjs18;41853 Wrote:
Valorius;41701 Wrote:Pretty cool watching all these defeated R's repeat DNC talking points about the tea party being dead, and insisting it's true.

I am the tea party...i'm hardly dead. Long Call is the tea party....he doesn't seem dead either.

see, something that could be problematic for viewers of the tea party is that a lot of their 'members/supporters' support typical GOP hacks when it's time to vote, like you did. if one were to quickly browse around on this forum and look at your posts, they'll see that you were cheering HARD for a Romney win and predicting not only a landslide in PA (total FAIL) but a landslide in the overall election (another total FAIL).

this is why I mentioned in another thread that until the tea party supporters totally separate them self from the GOP, they'll be lumped into the GOP.

So until we vote for loons like Uncle Ron, we're lumped in with the GOP?
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