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Could Karl Rove Ditch the Tea Party; Or: Is Tea Party Dead?
#31
This is a fucking jem.

ArcticSplash;40282 Wrote:
Valorius;40279 Wrote:The tea party has never been part of the GOP establishment, in case you have been paying absolutely zero attention whatsoever.

No they've been in bed together ever since they were co-opted which happened MIGHTY FAST. I was there along with you when it came into being the week after the ranting on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange by Rick Santelli.

I supported the Tea Party in its infancy until the GOP bandwagon rode in and started using the populist movement as a life-preserver. Now it's just one and the same.


Michelle Bachmann barely won by the way. By the skin of her acrylic press-on nails.

True blood tea folk still remember this speech very well...

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#32
longcall911;42050 Wrote:
MrPeanut;41926 Wrote:Is whining at me helping you vent?

Vent? I have nothing to vent or whine about.

I am defending a group of people who have been vilified and unfairly labeled in this thread. That is not venting. That is defending those who in my view are the innocent. When the TEA party is attacked with the same labels that progressives use, I respond. Always have. Always will.

My observation is that a number of people on this board are more concerned about the TEA party than with the democrat-socialists who are running this economy into the ground and willfully creating a dependent society.

And, I want to be sure that if blame is to be issued, it goes to those who voted for these socialists, not to those who have been standing against them.

The last ime I checked I didn't vote for Obama or any other socialists last week.

People like myself who supported Tea Party ideals are disappointed they were dopey enough to be co-opted by the republican establishment in congress.

That corruption of the Tea Party is why people like myself, who are fiscally conservative, are now questioning their relevance.

Blaming people like me for pointing this out is not helping you at all, and you are doing a pretty good job of alienating people like me.

What are you going to do to get the Tea Party back on message, including keeping it out of social issues?
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#33
Valorius;42053 Wrote:
andrewjs18;41853 Wrote:see, something that could be problematic for viewers of the tea party is that a lot of their 'members/supporters' support typical GOP hacks when it's time to vote, like you did. if one were to quickly browse around on this forum and look at your posts, they'll see that you were cheering HARD for a Romney win and predicting not only a landslide in PA (total FAIL) but a landslide in the overall election (another total FAIL).

this is why I mentioned in another thread that until the tea party supporters totally separate them self from the GOP, they'll be lumped into the GOP.

So until we vote for loons like Uncle Ron, we're lumped in with the GOP?

no, but voting for a diehard liberal Republican is certainly not helping the credibility of the tea party.
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#34
MrPeanut;42069 Wrote:The last ime I checked I didn't vote for Obama or any other socialists last week.

People like myself who supported Tea Party ideals are disappointed they were dopey enough to be co-opted by the republican establishment in congress.

That corruption of the Tea Party is why people like myself, who are fiscally conservative, are now questioning their relevance.

Blaming people like me for pointing this out is not helping you at all, and you are doing a pretty good job of alienating people like me.

What are you going to do to get the Tea Party back on message, including keeping it out of social issues?

I never called *you* a progressive or said that *you* voted for Obama so I don't see why you are taking it personally.

You attacked, calling the TEA party irrelevant. I defended. It is really that simple. Here again, you now call the TEA party "dopey". That is an attack.

You did not "question" relevance, you made a statement calling the Tea party irrelevant. I will defend against that.

After a few posts, you finally asked a question about demographics which I then answered quite politely. You seem to have ignored it, and jumped on my statement that people should not expect the TEA party to now save the world.

In this post, you claim that I blame people like you for pointing out certain things. Exactly where did I blame you or anyone for pointing things out? I blamed the people who voted for Obama and those who could have voted to stop him, but didn't. If you are not one of those, how am I blaming you?

What am I doing to get the TEA party back on message? Have you bothered to read my previous posts in this thread? Are you really interested in discussion? It seems to me, that you don't know much about the TEA party and don't really care to know. Rather, you seem to want to criticize and blame with statements like "the Tea party was co-opted by the republican establishment".

Let me ask you, what are you doing to stop the march of socialism in America?

TEA party members do not sit around thinking about how we can win over people who attack us. We really are a bunch of no-bullshit people. If you're a conservative and want to work at changing things, join in. Grab a shovel for yourself. Walk up to a group of others who are digging and say "where can I dig?" If you or anyone else wants coddling, embracing, and fluff talk about what we should do to attract this or that person, the TEA party is probably not for you. We are in a fight for freedom and are interested in warriors, and those who might wish to be warriors.
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#35
The tea party is not a party.

It is a collection of individuals.

It is the political equivalent to the unorganized militia.

Some of you seem to be totally failing to comprehend that. I take my political direction from no GOP shill, nor from any other establishment.
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#36
Valorius;42190 Wrote:The tea party is not a party.

It is a collection of individuals.

It is the political equivalent to the unorganized militia.

Some of you seem to be totally failing to comprehend that. I take my political direction from no GOP shill, nor from any other establishment.

I know and I didn't say it was. but when you try to act as if the tea party is separate from the GOP, you shouldn't endorse and vote for their most liberal politician in a long, long time.
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Valorius;42190 Wrote:The tea party is not a party.

It is a collection of individuals.

It is the political equivalent to the unorganized militia.

Some of you seem to be totally failing to comprehend that. I take my political direction from no GOP shill, nor from any other establishment.

It is a collection of individuals who initiated a movement.

What group did that loose collection of individuals choose to associate with?

When the Tea Party (as a group of individuals) chose to associate with Republicans who say stupid things such as Akin, Mourdock, and Santorum they lose the credibility regarding their very important fiscally conservative message. In other words they were dopey, a statement I do not apologize for.

Especially as they become associated with very extreme social views held by the religious right, especially concerning women. Please note there are now a record 20 women in the Senate. The House has increased ints number of women Representatives.

Making these sorts of poor choices is how they become irrelevant, as they lose their credibility when they do this.

My suggestion is that they caucus separately from the Republicans to maintain their credibility.

At some time they may want to become their own political party. In my view their ideas on fiscal consrvatism are more aligned with Libertarians.
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#38
longcall911;42168 Wrote:
MrPeanut;42069 Wrote:The last ime I checked I didn't vote for Obama or any other socialists last week.

People like myself who supported Tea Party ideals are disappointed they were dopey enough to be co-opted by the republican establishment in congress.

That corruption of the Tea Party is why people like myself, who are fiscally conservative, are now questioning their relevance.

Blaming people like me for pointing this out is not helping you at all, and you are doing a pretty good job of alienating people like me.

What are you going to do to get the Tea Party back on message, including keeping it out of social issues?

I never called *you* a progressive or said that *you* voted for Obama so I don't see why you are taking it personally.

You attacked, calling the TEA party irrelevant. I defended. It is really that simple. Here again, you now call the TEA party "dopey". That is an attack.

You did not "question" relevance, you made a statement calling the Tea party irrelevant. I will defend against that.

After a few posts, you finally asked a question about demographics which I then answered quite politely. You seem to have ignored it, and jumped on my statement that people should not expect the TEA party to now save the world.

In this post, you claim that I blame people like you for pointing out certain things. Exactly where did I blame you or anyone for pointing things out? I blamed the people who voted for Obama and those who could have voted to stop him, but didn't. If you are not one of those, how am I blaming you?

What am I doing to get the TEA party back on message? Have you bothered to read my previous posts in this thread? Are you really interested in discussion? It seems to me, that you don't know much about the TEA party and don't really care to know. Rather, you seem to want to criticize and blame with statements like "the Tea party was co-opted by the republican establishment".

Let me ask you, what are you doing to stop the march of socialism in America?

TEA party members do not sit around thinking about how we can win over people who attack us. We really are a bunch of no-bullshit people. If you're a conservative and want to work at changing things, join in. Grab a shovel for yourself. Walk up to a group of others who are digging and say "where can I dig?" If you or anyone else wants coddling, embracing, and fluff talk about what we should do to attract this or that person, the TEA party is probably not for you. We are in a fight for freedom and are interested in warriors, and those who might wish to be warriors.

You just don't seem to understand that while the tea party movement has great merit, they are being attacked because of the extreme views of who they associate with. Associating with those types of individuals was "dopey".

Who people associate with, as individuals or groups, has consequences, and establishes how others view them. Those opinions have great affect on perceived relevance.

I hope that given some time and introspection you can understand what I am trying to communicate to you.
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MrPeanut;42477 Wrote:You just don't seem to understand that while the tea party movement has great merit, they are being attacked because of the extreme views of who they associate with. Associating with those types of individuals was "dopey".

Who people associate with, as individuals or groups, has consequences, and establishes how others view them. Those opinions have great affect on perceived relevance.

I hope that given some time and introspection you can understand what I am trying to communicate to you.

Well, you don't seem to understand that there is a difference between saying "the TEA Party is irrelevant" and saying "In my opinion, the TEA Party is irrelevant".

This is basic forum communication skills. The first quote I used is an expression of fact. The second is an expression of opinion. I would have made no comment had you expressed an opinion.

You also don't understand that the TEA Party is attacked because is it the enemy of socialism/progressivism. Who paints conservatives a extreme? Progressives. . . Socialists. . . The media. . . Democrats.

People say dumb shit all the time. Should the TEA party run away from a Todd Aiken who said something stupid and apologized? How exactly should the TEA party run away from that person? There is no spokesman for the TEA Party. Even if every member wanted to distance himself, how would he do that exactly?

I've explained it elsewhere in this thread. The TEA Party does what it can to support conservatives. It wishes to fill the GOP with those conservatives. That's the whole story.

I don't need time or introspection. I understand what you're saying clearly. I simply disagree. My view is that you are blaming the wrong people. Blame the people who unjustly vilify conservatives, calling them extreme right wingers.

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a cunt. Why isn't he called a left-wing extremist? Sandra Fluke is out demanding free contraception. Why isn't she called a left-wing extremist? Obama has said that we wants to redistribute wealth. Why isn't he called a left-wing extremist? The answer to all of the above is that they are all democrat socialists.

All conservatives are to be ridiculed, labeled, marginalized, or otherwise destroyed. If the TEA party somehow silenced a handful of people, would the democrat socialist media suddenly stop attacking? The answer is no, no fucking way.

The TEA party is attacked because it represents conservatism, capitalism, freedom of choice, and limited government not because of a handful of people. And I don't consider that opinion. I consider it factual.

The assertion that "they are being attacked because of the extreme views of who they associate with" is an argument that these very same democrat socialists put forth as a distraction. The TEA Party is attacked because it is conservative, and is then painted as extreme in order to silence them.

If you doubt what I am saying, use a very common sense test. Look at who is doing the attacking, and dig into why they are, especially when words like 'right-wing extremist' or 'racist' or 'misogynist' or 'homophobe' are used.
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#40
Tea parties are for little girls and their stuffed animals.
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