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Couple Fined for refusing Gay Wedding
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So I don't give a rip about gay marriage. However, I do care about private property rights and businesses being able to refuse service especially based on religious beliefs. But this is just complete horseshit!

The following lawsuit and subsequent fine are based on 1 recorded phone call that lasted 3 minutes. Just mind-numbing...

Quote:The New York State Division of Human Rights (DHR) has ruled that the Roman Catholic owners of an Albany-area farm violated the civil rights of a lesbian couple when they declined to host the couple’s same-sex “marriage” ceremony in 2012.

Robert and Cynthia Gifford, who own and operate Liberty Ridge Farm in Schaghticoke, were ordered by DHR Judge Migdalia Pares and Commissioner Helen Diane Foster to pay $10,000 in fines to the state and an additional $3,000 in damages to the lesbian couple, Jennie McCarthy and Melissa Erwin for “mental pain and suffering.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholi...g-at-their
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#2
People should know by now this kind of nonsense is going to continue to happen. I don't understand why the giffords admitted to not hosting the wedding because it was a same sex wedding. Next time just give them attitude and be difficult and they will go away on their own....
Lkttomasz, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Apr 2013.
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Lkttomasz;152690 Wrote:People should know by now this kind of nonsense is going to continue to happen. I don't understand why the giffords admitted to not hosting the wedding because it was a same sex wedding. Next time just give them attitude and be difficult and they will go away on their own....

Exactly, even though the out-of-control gov't uses "hate" laws to oppress business owners, feeding into the ridiculous laws only makes it worse. Part of believing in private property and religious freedom is also your right to shut up about your decisions based on private property and religion. You don't have to announce a damn thing to anyone regarding your decision to turn down a customer. People are feeding right into this shit. When exercising your rights, exercise all of them at once.

Does this mean now that a bridal shop can get sued if they don't have dresses that fit men? Does it mean that a church who's beliefs state that gays are the devil has to let them in the door to get married? In this case the gay community can blacklist this business, in it's own circles, to make sure that gay folks steer clear of this establishment. Why go where you're not wanted?

I could care less about who puts what where and who's marrying who, as long as no one infringes upon their right to do so. Where they do it is up to whoever owns the property they wish to use . Period.
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It seems like even the gov't is afraid of the gay "movement".... because the minute a gay person reports a "bad" business, legislators scramble to make local town laws preventing anyone else from doing the same thing.

Why can't they just say, "Sorry you got your feelings hurt, but put on your big person bottoms (politically correct, here) and find a different business."????

I mean, seriously.....
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RugerGirl;152694 Wrote:but put on your big person bottoms (politically correct, here)

The gays don't care, but you just pissed off the overweight folks... expect a fine. Big Grin
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RugerGirl;152694 Wrote:It seems like even the gov't is afraid of the gay "movement".... because the minute a gay person reports a "bad" business, legislators scramble to make local town laws preventing anyone else from doing the same thing.

Why can't they just say, "Sorry you got your feelings hurt, but put on your big person bottoms (politically correct, here) and find a different business."????

I mean, seriously.....

Votes.... Votes... Votes.....

"My opponent failed to stand up for Mary and Alice in their fight.... so he is anti-lesbian!! So you know he is anti-minority as well!!!" And so on... and so on....
steelcityk9cop, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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If you run a place of public accommodation, and discrimination is prohibited by law in such places, you have two choices: follow the law, or don't run a place of public accommodation.

I'd be willing to bet that these Catholics have happily taken the money of wedding couples where one or the other is divorced and their former spouse is still alive and there has been no annulment.

Such marriages are no more licit, according to their faith, than same-sex marriages.
gascolator, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Nov 2012.
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gascolator;152698 Wrote:If you run a place of public accommodation, and discrimination is prohibited by law in such places, you have two choices: follow the law, or don't run a place of public accommodation.

I'd be willing to bet that these Catholics have happily taken the money of wedding couples where one or the other is divorced and their former spouse is still alive and there has been no annulment.

Such marriages are no more licit, according to their faith, than same-sex marriages.

Let's hope the ideas behind "public accommodation" which are being applied to sellers doesn't spread to the buyer side of the equation. People who hold beliefs of any kind could be shunned from commerce based upon the philosophical or religious tenets they hold to.

Naaah. That could never happen.
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Rik Bitter;152701 Wrote:
gascolator;152698 Wrote:If you run a place of public accommodation, and discrimination is prohibited by law in such places, you have two choices: follow the law, or don't run a place of public accommodation.

I'd be willing to bet that these Catholics have happily taken the money of wedding couples where one or the other is divorced and their former spouse is still alive and there has been no annulment.

Such marriages are no more licit, according to their faith, than same-sex marriages.

Let's hope the ideas behind "public accommodation" which are being applied to sellers doesn't spread to the buyer side of the equation. People who hold beliefs of any kind could be shunned from commerce based upon the philosophical or religious tenets they hold to.

Naaah. That could never happen.

You mean like stores banning the carrying of firearms? Always perplexes me on how the two are viewed so differently. On one hand, we're beat over the head with civil rights laws that we can't possibly discriminate against anyone. Then some, as gun owners, gladly say that a store has the right to discriminate against them.

Either gun ownership is a civil right or it isn't. Same as religious freedom or any of the other civil rights. If you as a gun owner, truly believe in private property and the right to decide who you do business with, then you should also believe that these people have the right to choose whom they do business with based upon their beliefs.
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streaker69;152702 Wrote:You mean like stores banning the carrying of firearms? Always perplexes me on how the two are viewed so differently. On one hand, we're beat over the head with civil rights laws that we can't possibly discriminate against anyone. Then some, as gun owners, gladly say that a store has the right to discriminate against them.

Either gun ownership is a civil right or it isn't. Same as religious freedom or any of the other civil rights. If you as a gun owner, truly believe in private property and the right to decide who you do business with, then you should also believe that these people have the right to choose whom they do business with based upon their beliefs.

Exactly. And while it's our freedom to boycott any business we dislike.... obviously the government has never even remotely stepped in to force business owners to allow legal carry in their store. But government is falling over their own feet trying to make sure every business accomodates gays at any business they please to visit.

I also do not think that boycotts should go to the point of being plain mean and nasty. The Facebook page of the bridal boutique owner was hacked somehow to be changed into a "gay bar", and hundreds of poor reviews from people who had never even been a customer there. There is no reason for that type of childish behavior. Speak with your dollars, not blackballing somebody's website or business reviews, unless YOU are the one who had the bad experience.
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