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Court upholds ban on handgun sales to under 21
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Quote: The United States may ban federally licensed firearms dealers from selling handguns to people under age 21, an appeals court ruled on Thursday, in a defeat for the National Rifle Association.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Houston rejected the NRA's argument that 18- to 20-year-olds had a right to buy the guns under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as the equal protection clause of the Fifth Amendment.

A unanimous three-judge panel said Congress, in a law dating from 1968, adopted the sales ban to help curb violent crime. It also said that the nation's founders and 19th-century courts and commentators believed that disarming specific groups did not trample on the right to bear arms.

"Congress was focused on a particular problem: young persons under 21, who are immature and prone to violence, easily accessing handguns," mainly from licensed dealers, Judge Edward Prado wrote for the panel.

That this occurred in Texas is a bit chilling, but the fact that two of the judges were supposedly more strict constructionist is really scary.
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Yet another 2A Supreme Court case to keep an eye out for?
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Warpt762x39;30084 Wrote:Yet another 2A Supreme Court case to keep an eye out for?

Hopefully without another Obama appointee on the court.Cool
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There are a ton of Clinton federal judges out there. The Republicans tried blocking for four years but they finally had no choice but to allow some through. They, like the supremes, are appointed for life. One of the worst is now the chief of the district court which is in Pittsburgh. Lancaster is his last name. He's described by many as incompetent at best and crooked at worst.
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Disarming specific groups of people? Like citizens? That's a specific group of people.
The law? The law is a human institution...
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Well an interesting question that could be brought up directly from this (and what I believe is the main issue) is why is 18 the age one can buy/do certain things and have special status? Why is 21 for others?

If I was to decide when someone is an 'adult', for example, I would say around age 26; right when their brain is finally 'cemented'.


How would any of you decide what a proper age is? What rights/privileges/protections would you allow and at what age?

I am curious because of the age 18 being the hallmark for certain things and I don't know where that came from initially. And I don't know yet where 21 came from either. I do know that certain drugs affect a growing brain more than a non growing brain so I can understand the imbibing aspect to an extent, but when it comes to other rights/priv, like voting and driving and weapon carrying, I am interested in what you all would say.

Another for example that might spark intelligent conversation; teenagers are dumb and make dumb decisions due to their hormonal influence and their decision making centers being not fully developed. I could then make an argument that teenagers should not be able to legally carry weapons or legally drive a mack truck because of the potentially lethal ramifications of such.

What say you fellow respectable board members?
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The thread title is misleading. The case centers on FFL involvement in the transaction. In most states, the private sale of handguns, without FFL involvement, is legal.
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I have to agre with Gregor. At 18 I can buy smokes, porn, lotto tickets, and enlist. But three years later I can buy alcohol and handguns?

It seems silly to me.
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My personal feeling on the subject is that whatever the age to enlist in the military, to fight and possibly die for your country, should be the highest age limit for anything. Be it alcohol, guns, tobacco, whatever. If you're mature enough to decide to risk your life in defense of this country, you're mature enough for everything else, too.
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ivwarrior;30147 Wrote:My personal feeling on the subject is that whatever the age to enlist in the military, to fight and possibly die for your country, should be the highest age limit for anything. Be it alcohol, guns, tobacco, whatever. If you're mature enough to decide to risk your life in defense of this country, you're mature enough for everything else, too.
Military personnel are not left to their own devices.

An 18yo on base is not the same as an 18yo on the street corner in Detroit.

Sure, both might get into "trouble", but I'd bet a dollar that the yute in Detroit would be more prone to end up in prison if allowed to go to the local shop and pick out a handgun.

As for the decision, just another reason to vote third party as a protest vote...
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