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topsykretts;105844 Wrote:The other thing is the two extra pages for references.. a little research shows me that this is not legal.

Neither is providing any "proof of residency" other than your government issued photo identification.
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topsykretts;105844 Wrote:The other thing is the two extra pages for references.. a little research shows me that this is not legal. So, what do I do about that, just print it out and hand in the form without the extra pages?

Yes, it is illegal. My understanding is that if you do not include those pages they do not accept your application, so there is no formal rejection because there was no formal acceptance of your application. I wonder if you could mail it without those pages certified with receipt. I mean, I know you could, but I wonder if they'd just shred it, or attempt to process it.

Never mind, I just checked their instructions and they say you need to submit it in person.
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csmith;105849 Wrote:
topsykretts;105844 Wrote:The other thing is the two extra pages for references.. a little research shows me that this is not legal.

Neither is providing any "proof of residency" other than your government issued photo identification.

Can you cite the section of statute where "government issued photo identification" is required? Is it in 18 Pa.C.S. 6109 somewhere? Maybe in with the regulations the PSP promulgated? Or can we find it in the federal GCA or FOPA somewhere impressing the states on the matter of firearms?

6109© says application is uniform throughout the state, and goes on talking about a form. So the application is not the form. The form is part of the application. If a sheriff can't decide alone whether to require a government issued photo identification, then the PSP must promulgate a regulation requiring it.

It's simple. 6109(g). Apply and ye shall receive a license, lest sheriff can prove an (e)(1) reason or lack of accuracy of application. (e)(1) itself stresses the importance of a prima facie grant of license with the onus on the sheriff to prove otherwise. Proving inaccuracy is different than barely alleging inaccuracy. (e)(1) requires 'good cause'. There is no good cause in bare allegation, or a sheriff crying that he doesn't have enough to work with. A person, subject to the penalty of unsworn falsification to law enforcement, declared his residency, in itself proof of residency. Just as there is a presumption that public officials act constitutionally and according to the process due, there is a presumption that citizens act according to law.

It only makes sense that a sheriff ought to be required to rebut it, and I've never seen a requirement of rebuttable presumption that didn't require evidence of fact or law to rebut.

Although it would be hard to believe Philadelphia public officials take any oaths to uphold the law, the police chief probably did, and a failure to uphold 6109 subjects the chief to a charge of perjury, subjecting the chief to immediate removal upon conviction. Alternatively, there is official oppression, which would be misbehavior in office, also providing for immediate removal. For the other 66 counties which have sheriffs, there's a provision regarding neglect or refusal to do a duty. I'm not sure Philadelphia's charter or any state law that actually applies to it generally provides for charging its officers for the purposes of removing its officers, and I'm sure this is done purposely to protect a corrupt probably-RICO-indictable criminal-organization (we can actually forfeit Philadelphia itself to the federal government if we want to, through the RICO act). Nonetheless, tools are available.

Statute of limitations is at least 5 years but no more than 8.

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Can't you use a bill with your address on it for proof of residency?
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RugerGirl;124885 Wrote:Can't you use a bill with your address on it for proof of residency?

I used my bank statement and one of my student loan bills that I get mailed to me.
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How about a copy of the form you filled out when you admitted yourself to the psych ward?
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topsykretts;124958 Wrote:
streaker69;124902 Wrote:How about a copy of the form you filled out when you admitted yourself to the psych ward?

My mom probably has that paperwork somewhere, but I don't think that'd go over too well.

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