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Distinguished Warfare Medal for drone pilots??
#1
Tin foil hat material or not? Could this award be motivation for drone operators to fire on United States citizens on US soil?

http://www.stripes.com/news/hagel-stands...l-1.211389

http://www.stripes.com/news/following-co...al-1.21153
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#2
I get the idea of awarding them a medal for their "services" in the combat zone, I don't get the priority that medal is getting. It should definitely NOT be as high on the priority list as any medal that is awarded for actual combat wherein the recipient could have been, or was, injured.Shrug 100% on board with Toomey on this one.
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#3
It's all part of the second wave of he self-esteem movement, i.e., the "Everyone gets a trophy for showing up" mentality that has permeated society over the last two decades.
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They will be known as the "Knights of Nintendo", whom formerly said "nee."
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There are a great many who are engaged directly in 'the battle' but not with their boots in the sand, and that's what this award is meant to signify.

It's not a "thanks for coming over" award like the Iraqi Campaign Medal, Afghanistan Campaign Medal, and Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, or the Southwest Asia Service Medal.

This medal is for having a direct and specific contribution to the actual mission of exceptional nature, because these 'pilots' wouldn't qualify for any of the other medals awarded for combat flying (closest being Distinguished Flying Cross) because it was a drone and they weren't in the plane. If they start giving out a lot of these and it creates an imbalance of the DFC than I think you'll see the criteria change, but since drone pilots still get the Air Medal and Aerial Achievement Medal I think this award is for service well beyond the norm, and certainly not an "everyone gets a medal" award. The military already has a bunch of those.

I think a log of you guys would be shocked to know just how few medals and ribbons are actually 'earned', and how most are nothing more than "thanks for coming in/coming over" awards.

I have 7 federal medals, and only 'earned' 3 of them. If you count state medals, I have 4 more, but only one of those was 'earned' by something I specifically did.

And mind you, none of those medals above are for serving overseas...at all. When I was in Iraq I got 2 civilian federal medals for that because I wasn't in uniform.

halftrack;87715 Wrote:They will be known as the "Knights of Nintendo", whom formerly said "nee."

Don't you mean the "Knights who say Wii"?
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Camper;87737 Wrote:There are a great many who are engaged directly in 'the battle' but not with their boots in the sand, and that's what this award is meant to signify.

It's not a "thanks for coming over" award like the Iraqi Campaign Medal, Afghanistan Campaign Medal, and Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, or the Southwest Asia Service Medal.

This medal is for having a direct and specific contribution to the actual mission of exceptional nature, because these 'pilots' wouldn't qualify for any of the other medals awarded for combat flying (closest being Distinguished Flying Cross) because it was a drone and they weren't in the plane. If they start giving out a lot of these and it creates an imbalance of the DFC than I think you'll see the criteria change, but since drone pilots still get the Air Medal and Aerial Achievement Medal I think this award is for service well beyond the norm, and certainly not an "everyone gets a medal" award. The military already has a bunch of those.

I think a log of you guys would be shocked to know just how few medals and ribbons are actually 'earned', and how most are nothing more than "thanks for coming in/coming over" awards.

I have 7 federal medals, and only 'earned' 3 of them. If you count state medals, I have 4 more, but only one of those was 'earned' by something I specifically did.

And mind you, none of those medals above are for serving overseas...at all. When I was in Iraq I got 2 civilian federal medals for that because I wasn't in uniform.

halftrack;87715 Wrote:They will be known as the "Knights of Nintendo", whom formerly said "nee."

Don't you mean the "Knights who say Wii"?

My problem is with placing it above both the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. Yeah, you could get them from being there, but the in being there part actually put your ass on the line and been shot or at least shot at, something that the drone pilots haven't done.
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billamj;87769 Wrote:
Camper;87737 Wrote:There are a great many who are engaged directly in 'the battle' but not with their boots in the sand, and that's what this award is meant to signify.

It's not a "thanks for coming over" award like the Iraqi Campaign Medal, Afghanistan Campaign Medal, and Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, or the Southwest Asia Service Medal.

This medal is for having a direct and specific contribution to the actual mission of exceptional nature, because these 'pilots' wouldn't qualify for any of the other medals awarded for combat flying (closest being Distinguished Flying Cross) because it was a drone and they weren't in the plane. If they start giving out a lot of these and it creates an imbalance of the DFC than I think you'll see the criteria change, but since drone pilots still get the Air Medal and Aerial Achievement Medal I think this award is for service well beyond the norm, and certainly not an "everyone gets a medal" award. The military already has a bunch of those.

I think a log of you guys would be shocked to know just how few medals and ribbons are actually 'earned', and how most are nothing more than "thanks for coming in/coming over" awards.

I have 7 federal medals, and only 'earned' 3 of them. If you count state medals, I have 4 more, but only one of those was 'earned' by something I specifically did.

And mind you, none of those medals above are for serving overseas...at all. When I was in Iraq I got 2 civilian federal medals for that because I wasn't in uniform.


Don't you mean the "Knights who say Wii"?

My problem is with placing it above both the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. Yeah, you could get them from being there, but the in being there part actually put your ass on the line and been shot or at least shot at, something that the drone pilots haven't done.

The Bronze Star is not JUST awarded for combat or heroism, it's also awarded for Meritorious Service, and when not awarded for heroism the requirements is the exact same as a Master Sergeant Medal...I mean...Meritorious Service Medal but being in a combat zone while earning the MSM can get you the Bronze Star instead. You see the V for valor on the BS, it's for heroism while engaged in combat, so technically speaking if "life on the line" is an indicator of importance than any medal WITHOUT the V is a "thanks for doing your job" award.

The Purple Heart shows that an individual was injured by the enemy, and while that is no joke and it is a prestigious award, it can also be given to someone hiding under their desk in terror who still got hit by a random piece of shrapnel from a stray mortar. Which is why it is where it is in the chain. Not to sound crass or diminish the sacrifice of the majority who get it, but for all intents and purposes if you look at the requirements for award it is a "here's your medal for getting hurt" award, and why it is BELOW all the medals awarded for heroism.

The DWM is a distinguished service medal which is why it was placed where it was...with all the other distinguished service medals.
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Camper;87778 Wrote:
billamj;87769 Wrote:My problem is with placing it above both the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. Yeah, you could get them from being there, but the in being there part actually put your ass on the line and been shot or at least shot at, something that the drone pilots haven't done.

The Bronze Star is not JUST awarded for combat or heroism, it's also awarded for Meritorious Service, and when not awarded for heroism the requirements is the exact same as a Master Sergeant Medal...I mean...Meritorious Service Medal but being in a combat zone while earning the MSM can get you the Bronze Star instead. You see the V for valor on the BS, it's for heroism while engaged in combat, so technically speaking if "life on the line" is an indicator of importance than any medal WITHOUT the V is a "thanks for doing your job" award.

The Purple Heart shows that an individual was injured by the enemy, and while that is no joke and it is a prestigious award, it can also be given to someone hiding under their desk in terror who still got hit by a random piece of shrapnel from a stray mortar. Which is why it is where it is in the chain. Not to sound crass or diminish the sacrifice of the majority who get it, but for all intents and purposes if you look at the requirements for award it is a "here's your medal for getting hurt" award, and why it is BELOW all the medals awarded for heroism.

The DWM is a distinguished service medal which is why it was placed where it was...with all the other distinguished service medals.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Meritorious service, while sitting on your ass at home doesn't rate quite as highly IMHO as actually having your boots on the ground. I perform meritorious service for my employer all the time, but I don't put my ass on the line.
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billamj;87780 Wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree. Meritorious service, while sitting on your ass at home doesn't rate quite as highly IMHO as actually having your boots on the ground. I perform meritorious service for my employer all the time, but I don't put my ass on the line.

Does your meritorious service result in the saving of hundreds of lives, platoons full of soldiers, or the elimination of severe and dangerous threats?

I get what you're saying, but the point of this award is to acknowledge the service of drone pilots and others who--while not necessarily on the front lines or physically inside an aircraft above them--have performed in such an exceptional way and performed actions of such importance that would have earned them the Distinguished Flying Cross had they been piloting a plane rather than a drone, without giving them the same prestige of a DFC.
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Camper;87783 Wrote:
billamj;87780 Wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree. Meritorious service, while sitting on your ass at home doesn't rate quite as highly IMHO as actually having your boots on the ground. I perform meritorious service for my employer all the time, but I don't put my ass on the line.

Does your meritorious service result in the saving of hundreds of lives, platoons full of soldiers, or the elimination of severe and dangerous threats?

I get what you're saying, but the point of this award is to acknowledge the service of drone pilots and others who--while not necessarily on the front lines or physically inside an aircraft above them--have performed in such an exceptional way and performed actions of such importance that would have earned them the Distinguished Flying Cross had they been piloting a plane rather than a drone, without giving them the same prestige of a DFC.

As a matter of fact, my service with my previous employer did result in the saving of numerous lives, but that is not the point. I believe that it is a disservice to those who are being shot at. The bottom line to me is that someone who receives a wound in a combat zone has an entirely different lifestyle than someone pulling a shift at Andrews, even if the guy at Andrews saves a platoon, in actuality he is doing little more than playing a video game for all the danger that he, himself, is in.
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