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Some may not agree, but I look at security and home automation systems as offshoots of prepping. I would like to put one into my home in the future and wonder if anyone can offer recommendations. Really, the security part is the most important at this point, but a dual system would be ideal. I'd be interested to hear your experiences. thanks.
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Shadowline;118513 Wrote:Some may not agree, but I look at security and home automation systems as offshoots of prepping. I would like to put one into my home in the future and wonder if anyone can offer recommendations. Really, the security part is the most important at this point, but a dual system would be ideal. I'd be interested to hear your experiences. thanks.
most important question first, what is your budget?

if you want quality products you will have to spend money. security systems with smoke, co2 and combustible gas detectors are priority. cellular communicator so the cant cut phone lines. both inside and outside motions, zwave or x10 light modules, cameras and image sensors are very useful. also need to think about back up power and surge protection.
there are plenty of websites to get help to do it yourself, i install all of it for a living and theres a few here that do home automation
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goofin;118517 Wrote:
Shadowline;118513 Wrote:Some may not agree, but I look at security and home automation systems as offshoots of prepping. I would like to put one into my home in the future and wonder if anyone can offer recommendations. Really, the security part is the most important at this point, but a dual system would be ideal. I'd be interested to hear your experiences. thanks.
most important question first, what is your budget?

if you want quality products you will have to spend money. security systems with smoke, co2 and combustible gas detectors are priority. cellular communicator so the cant cut phone lines. both inside and outside motions, zwave or x10 light modules, cameras and image sensors are very useful. also need to think about back up power and surge protection.
there are plenty of websites to get help to do it yourself, i install all of it for a living and theres a few here that do home automation

At this point I'm not really concerned about cost. I have enough to get a good base system set up (I think), and I'm comfortable with expanding and improving over time. My first priority is a security system for when we are home (to calm the nerves of a nervous child). After that I would like to move to exterior security, and then automation. I really like the wireless/cell concept, and plan on adding a generator to my home in the late winter to cover alternative temporary power.

I'm willing to spend what I need over time to get a solid system. It doesn't need to be the absolute cutting edge, just something that will alert while I'm sleeping upstairs. It doesn't even have to cover every possible entry point at first. I'm good adding to it over time. It is important to me that the system can stand alone without a cell service but external monitoring as an option could be appealing too. Really I am open to any option that is "quality", allows customization, doesn't require paying a service to be effective, and comes with recommendations.
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if your going to go through the expense of putting a system in and not having it monitored is stupid. if you have a monitored system it will call for help whether its fire, medical, duress or burg. there is monitoring available for as cheap as 100 dollars a year for phone line, and cell service for under 200 a year.
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goofin;118519 Wrote:if your going to go through the expense of putting a system in and not having it monitored is stupid. if you have a monitored system it will call for help whether its fire, medical, duress or burg. there is monitoring available for as cheap as 100 dollars a year for phone line, and cell service for under 200 a year.

Isn't there a module that will call your cell directly?
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Do not trust one that calls your cell, there is no conformation like a monitoring station has.
Calls can get dropped, missed etc, and there is no way for the system to know.

Monitoring isn't that costly and you can actually get cell service cheaper than the cost on a landline, if you want to go that route.

PM me if you want more information, it's what I do for a living right now, and I can get you a good deal on the hardware (we get better pricing than some wholesale outlets cue to the sheer number we do).

I won't be able to help with installing because of my location, but I am willing to talk you over setting the programming up over the phone, or even go over what you want to monitor and the most effective way to get it done.
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#7
Napco 1664.. my suggestion. Options for automation like crazy. Incredibly flexible, though not so easy programming. Wireless zones at least two areas I think 4. Zwave android compatible and for what you get its relatively inexpensive. Get a 6 piece wireless pack I think its really 6 windows/doors a keyfob a 98 zone receiver and a motion for $320 or so the panel with pir talking keypad is around $200. A zwave controler with a tablet keypad and internet connectivity is about $400. So for one of the best uts about 1100 or so. Its a chunck of change in the end but truly the best. Second place is the ademco vista 20p I think. But I prefer napco to everything. My father is in tge business and I just installed one as a favor to my friend get a 4g cell because the legacy cell phone is going dead sometime soon. Remember you get what you pay for.
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I am not looking at it as a cost thing when I asked about a direct call ti your cell. Have it call your cell and your landline. Have it email your computer.

The last I heard it can be done. I have a house in my back yard. It is a waste to have it monitored. What will they do say " Hey go look out the window?"
Most monitor stations call to confirm there is an issue. " yes mr. So and so. We just got an alarm from your location. Is this a false alarm?"

Many Pd's and Fd's get upset with false alarms and will charge you for them.


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Normanvin;118606 Wrote:I am not looking at it as a cost thing when I asked about a direct call ti your cell. Have it call your cell and your landline. Have it email your computer.

The last I heard it can be done. I have a house in my back yard. It is a waste to have it monitored. What will they do say " Hey go look out the window?"
Most monitor stations call to confirm there is an issue. " yes mr. So and so. We just got an alarm from your location. Is this a false alarm?"

Many Pd's and Fd's get upset with false alarms and will charge you for them.


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as a installer for the last 12 years i go thruogh this all the time, yes you can have them notify you by phone or pager but irf you are not home and there is a fire, you have to call the fd. if theres a fire, you just wasted time by waiting to get the call, then making a call for help, dispatch responding and help to arrive. so the chance of a false alarm hasnt been eliminated. most places will give you 3 false alarms and then you start on a sliding scale of what your charged.
some townships charge a fee to the company to install systems and to the customer for having one. Manhiem township comes to mind first.
its all about response time.
as for Napco, it is a great product but as Excell said its not keypad programmer friendly. they make a adapter that you can connect locally via laptop and program it. Ademco vista 20 is a great panel as well. X10 technology can be a pain, and with Z wave make sure you get the zwave module mounted high and in the center of the house, some of the evolve and zensys lamp modules are only good for 60 feet. i just did a couple of 3 way and 4 way light circuits and each module was around 40 bucks each my cost.
2gig makes a all wireless panel that will control lights, thermostats, door locks, driveway sensors and image sensors as well as security and fire. they also have a module to convert your hard wired devices (burg only) to wireless. theres repeaters and converters to use other products as well.
Dont be cheap when you install a system, you are playing with peoples life and safety.
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#10
Monitoring is one of those 50/50 things. For fire it is fantastic. For home invasions it's nice to not have to worry. For simple burglary or b and e it's almost worthless because they do two things and either of them revolve around you having to be present to prevent them from taking lots of stuff. If you're on vacation and you have no one to come over to repair tge entry poiny well then you have exposure because the criminal ran away and left a broken window ir because after the 22nd alarm the police won't come back and they have all the time in the world. .

A siren is really the key to drive them off and that requires a $100 system and somewires with thumb tacks and a siren..

To get texting options and to know what went off you must have a gsm cell phone transmitter. Napco has just released the best one on the market. Truly the closest thing to beat obsolescence in the next decade or so.

Get the napco 1664 with the voice keypad a 6 pack of transmitters/96 zone receiver with a key fob.a gsm netlink a moose siren with driver built in and a usb to laptop connector (must be napco product others do not work) then you need the software or someone that has access to it..

Installation will take about 3 hours but the programming is going to drive you slightly insane unless you have an experienced guy on the phone..

Ill post up a list later.
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