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Entitlement Reform? Not Gonna Happen and Here's Why
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The Democrat party as their policy and President Obama in particular will never NEVER willingly allow any entitlement reductions. Anyway, I don't see it happening. To me, the reasoning seems quite obvious so here goes…

The liberal progressive left has so deliberately and successfully divided the U.S. population into:
· Racial groups (Blacks – Hispanics – White Europeans – Asians – Native Americans - Martians)
· Gender groups (single women - married women - men)
· Sexual orientation groups (gay men, lesbian women, heterosexuals)
· Age groups (college students – serving military – senior citizens – middle aged)
· Economic status groups (people receiving assistance – middle class unemployed - middle class working – the wealthy)
· Societal interest groups (anti-gun, pro second amendment, pro-life, pro-abortion)
· Citizenship groups (natural born citizens – naturalized citizens – legal immigrants - illegal aliens I mean undocumented immigrants – my bad)
· Employment groups (private sector – public sector – union labor – non-union labor)
· Residence groups (urban dweller – suburbanite – rural)
· Natural resource groups (environmentalist – industrialists – resource developers)
· Work ethic groups (“Taxed Enough Already” folks - personal responsibility proponents – Occupy ‘fill in the blank’ movement people – nanny statists)
· And all those that I’m forgetting groups

Those of the above list that have swallowed and believed the poison of perceived oppression by those of the above list that haven’t has shown to be a coalition capable of electing a president that ultimately harms us all and future generations. President Obama and his party are well aware that this coalition is fragile and will splinter if not well fed. He and they are also aware they eventually will not fare well if the food stamp program is cut back and AIDS research is not. Also unrest will ferment or foment - you pick - if environmental issues have to take a back seat but undocumented immigrants get amnesty. Likewise if national gun restrictions are implemented but Planned Parenthood is left with reduced funding.

You see the situation is somewhat like being in the forest and feeding hotdogs to a pack of wolves. There will be an uneasy truce and you will probably not get eaten until the hotdogs run out – but when they do, look out!

Conservatives will be blamed for sure if entitlements are reduced but they will be blamed no matter what the near future holds. Republicans in congress need to grow a pair and quit trying gain approval of those who will surely never give it.

While discussing this issue with my pastor recently, he brought up the term “shared vision”. This is certainly what does not exist in today’s culture and must be introduced and promoted.

I'm just sayin'
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sorry to say, but a lot of old republicans who are on SS and medicare and medicaid WILL NOT allow for entitlement reforms either.

I wish old people would stop stealing my money to justify the state stealing their money when they worked!
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I'd be interested in which flavors of entitlements are suitable and why.
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#4
Divide and conquer.

Regardless, it's unsustainable. The question is not "if" but "when"?
I don't suffer from insanity.
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The disappointment is that we as a people are made up of a great enough number that feel receiving entitlements at the expense of others and those yet unborn is acceptable. That this strategy was successful is troubling and a sad indicator of our future.
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Arkady;51174 Wrote:I'd be interested in which flavors of entitlements are suitable and why.

0, as in zero, none, nada, zilch.

no one is ever justified in using the power of the state to steal the money of others and pass it around.
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andrewjs18;51169 Wrote:sorry to say, but a lot of old republicans who are on SS and medicare and medicaid WILL NOT allow for entitlement reforms either.

I wish old people would stop stealing my money to justify the state stealing their money when they worked!

Interesting, I had this discussion with two former co-workers who have been retired for about 5 years at our holiday party at work.

Both are very liberal, married couple.

I asked why SS benefits shouldn't be cut to make it last longer since they would both live longer and collect more than they put in, and why I should subsidize their retirement with what I put in later on.

They both had a cow. Its alright as long as its someone else who pays for the stuff.
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MrPeanut;51317 Wrote:
andrewjs18;51169 Wrote:sorry to say, but a lot of old republicans who are on SS and medicare and medicaid WILL NOT allow for entitlement reforms either.

I wish old people would stop stealing my money to justify the state stealing their money when they worked!

Interesting, I had this discussion with two former co-workers who have been retired for about 5 years at our holiday party at work.

Both are very liberal, married couple.

I asked why SS benefits shouldn't be cut to make it last longer since they would both live longer and collect more than they put in, and why I should subsidize their retirement with what I put in later on.

They both had a cow. Its alright as long as its someone else who pays for the stuff.

eventually cutting it off is the only moral thing, imho. it's immoral for someone to rob you and get away with it just as it's immoral for the government to rob you and give your money to someone on welfare, SS, medicare or medicaid.

unfortunately there is no moral way, I don't think, to immediately cut it off either. I think there needs to be a 100% absolute end date for the entitlement programs and they need to be funded by the government selling off land and other properties it doesn't use and by vastly decreasing the size and scope of government.
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andrewjs18;51334 Wrote:...they need to be funded by the government selling off land and other properties it doesn't use...

Give Alaska to China to repay our debt? Tin foil hat material? Maybe - Maybe not.
Undecided
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Arkady;52409 Wrote:
andrewjs18;51334 Wrote:...they need to be funded by the government selling off land and other properties it doesn't use...

Give Alaska to China to repay our debt? Tin foil hat material? Maybe - Maybe not.
Undecided

who said that? The federal government owns billions of acres of unused land and TONS of unoccupied buildings and structures it could sell off. furthermore, it could start eliminating entire departments and cut salaries.
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