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Anyone else noticed etiquette fading at their local gun shops? I haven't been in a few weeks, but it seems like ever since Sandy Hook with the clowns out in force the people in my local shops have stopped giving a shit. Seems every time I go in there somebody is sweeping someone in the store at some point while I'm in there. In the past few months I've been swept a couple times by morons while buying ammo. Further still, the other week at a gun shop in PA I saw someone point a rifle at one of the sales people and the person said NOTHING he just moved the muzzle out of the way of his torso while on the phone! I was amazed. Is anyone else noticing this going on in their area with alarming frequency? I know some people aren't sticklers about this stuff to the same degree, but how many people need to be shot by so-called "empty" guns for people to figure out that the 4 rules exist for a reason? I've never worked at a gun shop, but if a customer intentionally pointed an "unloaded" weapon at me they would be out on their ass before they knew what happened. Anyone who does that has no business owning a firearm and is a liability until they've got a refresher on how to handle it. It sort of seems like some of the shops lately have been so overwhelmed with customers they are letting standards slip. I'm all for having newcomers around, but they need to be reminded before they cause an accident.
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#2
Nope. The shops in my area are pretty hardcore when it comes to the Four Rules. One in particular, since the original owner was shot and killed because of a negligent discharge.
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I usually avoid venues where such things are commonplace. The local gun shop and patrons are pretty good about etiquette.

I always treat it like it's loaded. Safer that way. Wink

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I've only bought at Ace's since SH, and it's been the same great level of service as always. A LOT of idiots coming in, but they do a fine job keeping them in line.

I'm still always greeted with a hand shake and a smile.

Justin
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I've always noticed bad muzzle discipline, even before the panic buying. And that goes beyond gun stores; it's everywhere. Heck, even my dad, who originally taught me the gun safety rules, has swept me on occasion. I even had a guy sweep me with with a loaded LCP with his finger on the trigger!

The bad part is, sometimes it really seems like the worst offenders are those that are most experienced. I rarely witness this when I take people shooting for the first time, because I go over the rules extensively, and they still have a healthy respect for the firearm. I think it's when people are around guns so much that they get comfortable and start to slip.
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bac0nfat;107364 Wrote:I even had a guy sweep me with with a loaded LCP with his finger on the trigger!

Where was that!?!
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Ive noticed an increase simply because there are more people at every shop I go to. This week I saw an old timer bring a bolt rifle in wanting some work done on it. He brought it in the store bolt closed carried at his waist pointed forward. He put it down on the counter, bolt closed. The shop employee picked it up and started looking it over without ever checking the chamber.

As mentioned in a similar thread at the other place that received much criticism and honestly one of the reasons I stopped frequenting poofa: I am of the mindset that you always chamber check, you always hand a firearm over with the action open. You always put it down action up and open. You check, you recheck, and you check again. Check when you put it down and pick it back up. Check when somebody else checks and then hands it to you. Check when you hold onto it too long. The only time I don't check is when I know that it IS loaded. That's how I was taught, how my dad was taught, my grandfather and on up the line, and how my kids will be taught.

One thing lately really pissing me off is people at the range setting a loaded gun down on the table with safety on while people walk downrange to check targets. Massive fail IMO.
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Philadelphia Patriot;107390 Wrote:
bac0nfat;107364 Wrote:I even had a guy sweep me with with a loaded LCP with his finger on the trigger!

Where was that!?!

It was in an office in Warminster, some old guy was showing me his LCP. He pulled it out and immediately put his finger on the trigger, then turned in such a way that the muzzle swept past my torso and continued on past it. It happened so fast that there was nothing I could do or say before it was over. Thankfully the LCP has a very long and heavy trigger pull that makes it unlikely to accidentally pull the trigger, however that's still no excuse for unsafe muzzle discipline and trigger finger discipline.
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There was a SW PA meet n greet where the organizer swept all of us with a gun he was showing off.

Glockgirl called him out on it.

Justin
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