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Everyone in US under virtual surveillance
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Interesting article I think: Article Here

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The FBI has the e-mails of nearly all US citizens, including congressional members, according to NSA whistleblower William Binney. Speaking to RT he warned that the government can use information against anyone it wants.

­One of the best mathematicians and code breakers in NSA history resigned in 2001 because he no longer wanted to be associated with alleged violations of the constitution.

He asserts, that the FBI has access to this data due to a powerful device Naris.

This year Binney received the Callaway award. The annual award was established to recognize those, who stand out for constitutional rights and American values at great risk to their personal or professional lives.

RT: In light of the Petraeus/Allen scandal while the public is so focused on the details of their family drama one may argue that the real scandal in this whole story is the power, the reach of the surveillance state. I mean if we take General Allen – thousands of his personal e-mails have been sifted through private correspondence. It’s not like any of those men was planning an attack on America. Does the scandal prove the notion that there is no such thing as privacy in a surveillance state?

William Binney: Yes, that’s what I’ve been basically saying for quite some time, is that the FBI has access to the data collected, which is basically the e-mails of virtually everybody in the country. And the FBI has access to it. All the congressional members are on the surveillance too, no one is excluded. They are all included. So, yes, this can happen to anyone. If they become a target for whatever reason – they are targeted by the government, the government can go in, or the FBI, or other agencies of the government, they can go into their database, pull all that data collected on them over the years, and we analyze it all. So, we have to actively analyze everything they’ve done for the last 10 years at least.

RT: And it’s not just about those, who could be planning, who could be a threat to national security, but also those, who could be just…

WB: It’s everybody. The Naris device if it takes in the entire line, so it takes in all the data. In fact they advertised they can process the lines at session rates, which means 10 gigabit lines. I forgot the name of the device (it’s not the Naris) – the other one does it at 10 gigabits. That’s why the building Buffdale, because they have to have more storage, because they can’t figure out what’s important, so they are just storing everything there. So, e-mails are going to be stored there for the future, but right now stored in different places around the country. But it is being collected – and the FBI has access to it.

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Shheeesh haven't you guys ever heard of the Echelon project? Because it is(was) illegal for intel outfits to gather information in their home countries U.S., U.K. and Australia were mutually "eavesdropping" on each others electronic communications and sharing critical information.
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Brick;49195 Wrote:Shheeesh haven't you guys ever heard of the Echelon project? Because it is(was) illegal for intel outfits to gather information in their home countries U.S., U.K. and Australia were mutually "eavesdropping" on each others electronic communications and sharing critical information.

As I understand it, this is taking place within the US, and there is no sharing. It's 100% of the content they are collecting.
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I certainly believe they are monitoring a lot of stuff but I'm not buying a lot of what this guy says. In order to suck up that much data, they would have to have one of these mystical devices sitting on-site between every fiber line that comes out of the ground and the router that it plugs into. Sucking up and storing that much data would require some serious hardware, and something like that hooked directly into core routers wouldn't exactly go unnoticed, not to mention the dedicated connectivity they would need to send it all back to their super not so secret datacenter for processing. Anybody who has been in or around datacenters, or on the job during fiber installations knows that just isn't the case. As for the possibility of somehow digging a hole and covertly splitting their own line off the fiber...yeah I just don't see that either for a variety of technical reasons.

Contrary to popular belief, the FBI or any other government agency doesn't exactly have access to any technology that the rest of the IT industry doesn't. They are still stuck dealing with the same protocols and the same hardware limitations, the same operating systems, and for the most part the same software.

Now, do they have deals with Google or Hotmail to let them take snapshots of their email storage? I'd bet on it. Same goes for mobile providers and text messages/phone call recordings. I'd bet on all that. Do they have their hands in the pockets of all the trusted SSL cert providers allowing them access to certificates, which in turn allows them to decrypt SSL communications, I'd bet on that too. Not everybody uses those though, plenty of people use their own certificates, which renders "cracking" without the cert pretty much impossible. I'm not going to pretend that SSL is a technology that will remain unbreakable for all of eternity, but I will go so far as to say that if it had been cracked already, the entire world would know about it and it wouldn't have been accomplished by the FBI or NSA.

When it comes to the Petraeus scandal, as I recall that all took place via gmail. They supposedly uncovered a historical archive of his emails. They didn't get that through sniffing, they had access to his account one way or another. They either broke in, or Google gave it to them.
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Quote:The FBI has the e-mails of nearly all US citizens

No they do not. I have several addresses and my main one (that they 'do' have is never used). I change mail boxes every other week Wink
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D10;49398 Wrote:
Quote:The FBI has the e-mails of nearly all US citizens

No they do not. I have several addresses and my main one (that they 'do' have is never used). I change mail boxes every other week Wink

Some have said that some distantly related descendent that began as a government program but became something else entirely has vehicles that can travel throughout the solar system in minutes, ultrasonically drilled/bored underground complexes that are independently functioning cities, and satellites that enable a computer that is (at least) 5 centuries beyond current technology to monitor the entire surface of the earth in real time.

They probably don't give a shit about you, or your emails.

As for me, I have 3 emails and in each one all they will gather is that I don't read much of anything I get and its all advertisements. That, and that I write a lot of emails to one person and never wind up sending them.

Utg
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topsykretts;49457 Wrote:That, and that I write a lot of emails to one person and never wind up sending them.

Utg

Restraining orders suck, don't they? Wink
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streaker69;49458 Wrote:
topsykretts;49457 Wrote:That, and that I write a lot of emails to one person and never wind up sending them.

Utg

Restraining orders suck, don't they? Wink

There's no restraining order. She just said she won't read my response to her last email. I am tempted to email her saying I'm gonna show up at her house and she can have me arrested if it'll make her feel better. Climb up a tree, bring a bullhorn and extra batteries and say what I need to say one way or another.
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topsykretts;49474 Wrote:
streaker69;49458 Wrote:Restraining orders suck, don't they? Wink

There's no restraining order. She just said she won't read my response to her last email. I am tempted to email her saying I'm gonna show up at her house and she can have me arrested if it'll make her feel better. Climb up a tree, bring a bullhorn and extra batteries and say what I need to say one way or another.

Have you tried this?

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