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I was reading this article:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...un-contro/

and seeing the video where Biden says Obama might invoke executive order to clamp down on guns. So let's play the hypothetical game.

Let's suppose Obama passes an executive order tomorrow and says all guns must be taken to the nearest police station by the first of next month. Anyone found with a gun after that it's mandatory prison time. What will you do? I know I'd be marching down to the Capitol with hundreds of thousands of others. Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system? I think there are more "closeted" gun owners out there than most people think. People who on the surface or publicly might pretend to be anti-gun publicly to fit in with the social landscape that's turned against guns in recent times, yet at the end of the day they still have their dad's 1911 in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet. Do you really think there would be a revolt? I would like to think it would happen if it came to that but I really just don't see it happening.

Personally, I'd rather see it all burn and have a shot at something new rather than allow my future children to live life in a tyrannical dictatorship.
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Emoticon;65635 Wrote:I was reading this article:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...un-contro/

and seeing the video where Biden says Obama might invoke executive order to clamp down on guns. So let's play the hypothetical game.

Let's suppose Obama passes an executive order tomorrow and says all guns must be taken to the nearest police station by the first of next month. Anyone found with a gun after that it's mandatory prison time. What will you do? I know I'd be marching down to the Capitol with hundreds of thousands of others. Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system? I think there are more "closeted" gun owners out there than most people think. People who on the surface or publicly might pretend to be anti-gun publicly to fit in with the social landscape that's turned against guns in recent times, yet at the end of the day they still have their dad's 1911 in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet. Do you really think there would be a revolt? I would like to think it would happen if it came to that but I really just don't see it happening.

Personally, I'd rather see it all burn and have a shot at something new rather than allow my future children to live life in a tyrannical dictatorship.

We just had a similiar thread in the Legislation forum and it didn't turn out well.
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#3
Emoticon;65635 Wrote:Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system?

FEMA Camps

Court system? HAH! We don't need no stinkin court system.
The law? The law is a human institution...
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csmith;65655 Wrote:
Emoticon;65635 Wrote:Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system?

FEMA Camps

Court system? HAH! We don't need no stinkin court system.

I don't know if they're going to sell this to the American people its got to be incremental. I think if they one day yanked all the lawful gun owners off the street and tossed them in FEMA camps it just might scare the liberals and the "dancing with the stars" zombies into snapping out of the trance a little bit and watching what the fuck is happening in this country.
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#5
Emoticon;65635 Wrote:I was reading this article:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...un-contro/

and seeing the video where Biden says Obama might invoke executive order to clamp down on guns. So let's play the hypothetical game.

Let's suppose Obama passes an executive order tomorrow and says all guns must be taken to the nearest police station by the first of next month. Anyone found with a gun after that it's mandatory prison time. What will you do? I know I'd be marching down to the Capitol with hundreds of thousands of others. Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system? I think there are more "closeted" gun owners out there than most people think. People who on the surface or publicly might pretend to be anti-gun publicly to fit in with the social landscape that's turned against guns in recent times, yet at the end of the day they still have their dad's 1911 in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet. Do you really think there would be a revolt? I would like to think it would happen if it came to that but I really just don't see it happening.

Personally, I'd rather see it all burn and have a shot at something new rather than allow my future children to live life in a tyrannical dictatorship.


Here we go with these "what ifs" again.

The DC. vs Heller case will apply to, YES, any EO that Obama signs. Sitting Presidents have been VERY careful to try to make sure their EO's are crafted so they pass a Constitutional smell test because it is devestatingly-embarassing for a President to see their EO tossed or injunctified by the Courts.


However, there have been several EO's that have been written that are just blatantly unconstitutional. FDR's EO that permitted Japanese-American internment was probably the worst one ever because it clearly denied basic liberty plus it also caused enormous financial damage to Janapanse-Americans during WWII. Think about it: say you run a business in San Francisco and you own a house, then suddenly you get a proclamation at your door saying you have two weeks to pack your shit and go to some dusty place in Arizona and you have to leave everything behind and you can't come back until the war is over. You are stuck there for at least 2 1/2 years. Bank forecloses on your home, your business is gone--you lose everything.

And oh yeah... reparations didn't come until the late 1980s/early 90s. FDR and the US Army only got away with it because the time of interment lasted about as long as it would take to get a case sent up through to the Supreme Court to get the EO overturned. It put a huge stain on FDR's legacy and Truman continued with it, also wrapping him up in this crime of humanity; and we will never live it down because it's in the history books.


If Obama signs an EO, it MUST comport with the Heller case. So, Obama can't write total gun bans and confiscatory declarations. He does, and it goes directly to court, do not pass go, and mountains of cash will be foisted on lawyers--not to mention a quick injunction from whichever circuit court picks up the filings. And I would expect there would be a lot more than just one court case over it.

I can guarantee you that Team Obama's lawyers are not stupid and constitutional law experts will be sitting around scanning proposals for any EO language that might be crafted.


If something comes out as an EO, it's going to be very, very sneaky and carefully worded.
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ArcticSplash;65667 Wrote:
Emoticon;65635 Wrote:I was reading this article:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...un-contro/

and seeing the video where Biden says Obama might invoke executive order to clamp down on guns. So let's play the hypothetical game.

Let's suppose Obama passes an executive order tomorrow and says all guns must be taken to the nearest police station by the first of next month. Anyone found with a gun after that it's mandatory prison time. What will you do? I know I'd be marching down to the Capitol with hundreds of thousands of others. Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system? I think there are more "closeted" gun owners out there than most people think. People who on the surface or publicly might pretend to be anti-gun publicly to fit in with the social landscape that's turned against guns in recent times, yet at the end of the day they still have their dad's 1911 in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet. Do you really think there would be a revolt? I would like to think it would happen if it came to that but I really just don't see it happening.

Personally, I'd rather see it all burn and have a shot at something new rather than allow my future children to live life in a tyrannical dictatorship.


Here we go with these "what ifs" again.

The DC. vs Heller case will apply to, YES, any EO that Obama signs. Sitting Presidents have been VERY careful to try to make sure their EO's are crafted so they pass a Constitutional smell test because it is devestatingly-embarassing for a President to see their EO tossed or injunctified by the Courts.


However, there have been several EO's that have been written that are just blatantly unconstitutional. FDR's EO that permitted Japanese-American internment was probably the worst one ever because it clearly denied basic liberty plus it also caused enormous financial damage to Janapanse-Americans during WWII. Think about it: say you run a business in San Francisco and you own a house, then suddenly you get a proclamation at your door saying you have two weeks to pack your shit and go to some dusty place in Arizona and you have to leave everything behind and you can't come back until the war is over. You are stuck there for at least 2 1/2 years. Bank forecloses on your home, your business is gone--you lose everything.

And oh yeah... reparations didn't come until the late 1980s/early 90s. FDR and the US Army only got away with it because the time of interment lasted about as long as it would take to get a case sent up through to the Supreme Court to get the EO overturned. It put a huge stain on FDR's legacy and Truman continued with it, also wrapping him up in this crime of humanity; and we will never live it down because it's in the history books.


If Obama signs an EO, it MUST comport with the Heller case. So, Obama can't write total gun bans and confiscatory declarations. He does, and it goes directly to court, do not pass go, and mountains of cash will be foisted on lawyers--not to mention a quick injunction from whichever circuit court picks up the filings. And I would expect there would be a lot more than just one court case over it.

I can guarantee you that Team Obama's lawyers are not stupid and constitutional law experts will be sitting around scanning proposals for any EO language that might be crafted.


If something comes out as an EO, it's going to be very, very sneaky and carefully worded.

I don't think they're going to care that much about crafting such an order. EO's were only supposed to clarify existing legislation, not basically create laws like Obama already has. I'm sure whatever the king wants his subjects will just find ways around any obstacle. I mean look, we haven't declared war since 1941 and how many "wars" have we been in since then? Even if Obama's EO was against supreme court findings who is going to stand up to him to put a stop to it? ....Republican congressmen?

Lmao

Some Republican politicians these days have proven don't even know how babies are made, let alone know their asses from a hole in the ground.

Look at all the war crimes and deaths of our own military members Bush Jr. was complicit in over false pretenses! The democrats could have nailed his ass to the wall over that stuff if they wanted to, but they looked the other way because they knew sooner or later they would have their very own mini-dictator hidden up their sleeves and if they went after Bush, the Democrat's political tool Obama would be subject to the same scrutiny and responsibility for that administration's crimes same way. It's corrupted from top to bottom there are maybe enough people to count on both hands in our government today who are actually at bat for the people and as long as that continues they can do whatever they want constitutional or not.

Quote:...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...

If anyone gave a shit about the Constitution how on earth did they get past that line in order to pass the 1934 NFA act? The 1968 gun control act? What about the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act? We can't forget the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. The protecting America from all enemies foreign and domestic oath is only taken seriously by people who have actually had to fight for our rights. Senator Feinstein would just as soon wipe her ass with the constitution while she sells the rest of us down the river all the while protected by her bodyguards. This in addition to steering and outright awarding no-bid contracts to her husband Richard Blum's various firms so that once the rest of her ilk have destroyed this country they have the money to move and and take the locust swarm elsewhere to bleed another country dry and live in the lap of luxury while doing so.

I have no allusions that the constitution will be an obstacle for the fanatical leftists at all. They'd have to respect it and actually read what it says first to actually care, which will never happen. Our only hope is for a new truly conservative party to form, made up of the endangered middle class tax payers.
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#7
Exactly where has Obama created law with an executive order? The immigration thing wasn't a law. It didn't create, modify or overturn a law. It was an order to suspend deportations for two years. It didn't give anyone amnesty or citizenship.

Executive orders do not apply to citizens. They only apply to executive branch employees. EOs cannot be used to ban or confiscate guns. They can't even be used to allow concealed carry in national parks as George W Bush found out. They had to tack that onto the credit card reform bill Obama would never veto to get it passed. EOs also cannot be used to reclassify semi autos as NFA items as the definitions are laid out in several federal laws. Same with registrations. That's banned by three federal laws including Obamacare.

So basically, Obama can sign anything he wants but nothing he tries to jam through has force of law behind it. Any LEOs trying to enforce them will face criminal charges.
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Emoticon;65635 Wrote:I was reading this article:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...un-contro/

and seeing the video where Biden says Obama might invoke executive order to clamp down on guns. So let's play the hypothetical game.

Let's suppose Obama passes an executive order tomorrow and says all guns must be taken to the nearest police station by the first of next month. Anyone found with a gun after that it's mandatory prison time. What will you do? I know I'd be marching down to the Capitol with hundreds of thousands of others. Do you think the prisons would be able to take the massive influx of people? What about the court system? I think there are more "closeted" gun owners out there than most people think. People who on the surface or publicly might pretend to be anti-gun publicly to fit in with the social landscape that's turned against guns in recent times, yet at the end of the day they still have their dad's 1911 in a shoebox on the top shelf in the closet. Do you really think there would be a revolt? I would like to think it would happen if it came to that but I really just don't see it happening.

Personally, I'd rather see it all burn and have a shot at something new rather than allow my future children to live life in a tyrannical dictatorship.

Well, I'll follow the letter of the law and turn them in, as the wife and I don't have kids to worry about.

Hopefully I'll be retired and then dead before it turns into a socialist state.
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Emoticon;65635 Wrote:...
Let's suppose Obama passes an executive order tomorrow and says all guns must be taken to the nearest police station by the first of next month. Anyone found with a gun after that it's mandatory prison time. What will you do?
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That would result in me calling a specific attorney I know and signing up as a plaintiff to demand an injunction (hell, he might just call me depending on who gets the news first). Immediate work will then revolve around building a list of plaintiffs and suing immediately to 1) prevent enforcement by local and state law enforcement officials and 2) to get a complete injunction, along with a myriad of other things the suit would aim for.

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Considering that 1) this scenario cannot legally unfold and 2) no, the prisons can't hold very many extra people I'm confident this is just one big hypothetical. Nevertheless I know my immediate actions, specific work after that depends on how events unfold.
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#10
As someone posted, it will be incremental. The Left are well-versed in Fabian socialism. Death by 1000 cuts and all that. They will impose new restrictions - assault weapons ban, high-cap clips, etc, in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Then, when these measures fail to eliminate mass shootings, they will say, "See, we did not go far enough."

They will then come for the handguns and every shotgun and long-rifle other than a .22, which will be heavily regulated but remain legal for hunting purpose and self-defense, just as the 2A intended. Eventually, these will be banned, too. I predict complete disarmament of the populace by 2025
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