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Federal Workers to Congress: Leave Us Out of Deficit Deal
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The Federal-Postal Coalition -- a group representing more than two dozen federal employee unions -- pleaded with Congress on Monday to spare their members in any deal related to the "fiscal cliff."

Federal workers, the coalition wrote in a letter, have contributed more than their fair share toward reducing the debt and are the only group that has been targeted so heavily.

“Federal and postal employees and their families are hardworking, middle-class Americans who are struggling during these tough times just like other Americans,” the group wrote.

No other group has been asked to financially contribute the way they have, and it is time our nation’s leaders found other ways to reduce the deficit than continually taking from those who have dedicated their lives to public service.”

According to the coalition, federal employees have funded $60 billion in budget savings in 2011 and 2012 as a result of their ongoing pay freeze and an additional $28 billion in savings will be derived from the freeze extension through March 2013.

Federal workers also contributed $15 billion toward the budget in 2011 when the contribution rate toward retirement pensions was raised to 2.3 percent for new employees.

Top Democratic lawmakers on committees related to the federal workforce told Government Executive last week that they would like to leave federal-employee benefits out of any potential debt deal.

After President Obama’s reelection, top federal unions said they were confident their members would not be targeted in such a deal and a pay raise would be instituted.

In recent negotiations, Republicans are beginning to show signs they will agree to create new revenues from top earners, while specifics of spending cuts still are being hammered out.

http://nationaljournal.com/congress-lega...l-20121120

my pet peeve is when they say "dedicated themselves to public service"

it's just a fuckin job

unless you are military
It's the "BILL OF RIGHTS" not the bill of "needs"
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middlefinger;44416 Wrote:
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The Federal-Postal Coalition -- a group representing more than two dozen federal employee unions -- pleaded with Congress on Monday to spare their members in any deal related to the "fiscal cliff."

Federal workers, the coalition wrote in a letter, have contributed more than their fair share toward reducing the debt and are the only group that has been targeted so heavily.

“Federal and postal employees and their families are hardworking, middle-class Americans who are struggling during these tough times just like other Americans,” the group wrote.

No other group has been asked to financially contribute the way they have, and it is time our nation’s leaders found other ways to reduce the deficit than continually taking from those who have dedicated their lives to public service.”

According to the coalition, federal employees have funded $60 billion in budget savings in 2011 and 2012 as a result of their ongoing pay freeze and an additional $28 billion in savings will be derived from the freeze extension through March 2013.

Federal workers also contributed $15 billion toward the budget in 2011 when the contribution rate toward retirement pensions was raised to 2.3 percent for new employees.

Top Democratic lawmakers on committees related to the federal workforce told Government Executive last week that they would like to leave federal-employee benefits out of any potential debt deal.

After President Obama’s reelection, top federal unions said they were confident their members would not be targeted in such a deal and a pay raise would be instituted.

In recent negotiations, Republicans are beginning to show signs they will agree to create new revenues from top earners, while specifics of spending cuts still are being hammered out.

http://nationaljournal.com/congress-lega...l-20121120

my pet peeve is when they say "dedicated themselves to public service"

it's just a fuckin job

unless you are military

There are vast number of civilians who do the work that the military USED to do, and are quite dedicated to working hard and saving the government money.

And as I always say, military members are government employees too, and make a hell of a lot more in many positions than most care to admit once you're in the 6 year/E5 range.
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yes there are some that serve important functions

and there is also a vast majority working in government that are dedicated to fucking you and me through the unions taking everything they can get with no accountability .

that goes for state, local and federal employees

government workers average 50% higher pay and benefits than the average american
It's the "BILL OF RIGHTS" not the bill of "needs"
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middlefinger;44426 Wrote:and there is also a vast majority working in government that are dedicated to fucking you and me through the unions taking everything they can get with no accountability .

that goes for state, local and federal employees

government workers average 50% higher pay and benefits than the average american

And military members earn higher pay and benefits than your typical civilian federal worker Wink And those numbers also include everyone from Doctors to politicians, who make big bucks and skew everyone else's average.

Remember, those statistics which say feds make that much higher INCLUDE military members. The statistics don't tell the full story, and you know as well as I that numbers are often manipulated by all sides to exploit some narrative over another.

And yes, there are no doubt many who are simply out to rape the system, and I've always said that I have no issue with collective bargaining unions, but no government worker at any level should EVER be permitted to strike. And honestly, I don't think federal workers even CAN strike. IMHO it is sick that teachers, cops, public workers, etc are allowed to NOT work and be paid for it.

I'm of the opinion that if you are a government worker you're expected to be at work working and not standing on a picket line.

Again, I do not believe that the 'vast majority' of government workers are out to screw the system into oblivion. The unions are, but the unions represent themselves first and foremost, and only tertiarily represent the employees.

I have no personal issue against government employees making a decent wage for whatever it is they do, but I'm more concerned with the redundancy, waste, and overspending than I am who makes what.

I've seen brand new 10k printers (copier machine style) which were otherwise brand new sent through a grinder in Iraq because some Army soldier plugged a 110 device into a 220 circuit, and call it 'defective', or turn perfectly good equipment in for disposal/destruction simply because they didn't want to go through the inventory process to bring it back to the states.

THAT kind of stuff pisses me off more than a clerk working for the gov making 8k more per year than a clerk at some podunk company.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Camper, does your stance on. gov employees having to work to get paid include holiday, vacation, sick, and/or personal time?
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rmagill;44441 Wrote:Camper, does your stance on. gov employees having to work to get paid include holiday, vacation, sick, and/or personal time?

If that's part of the package for when they get hired, I don't see why not.

I've never had a job in my professional career that didn't give me paid time off, so if they want to remain competitive and hire quality people I'd imagine offering paid time off kind of goes with the territory.

Even the military gets 30 days of leave, and unlimited sick if you go to sick call. Most of them work regular Mon to Fri's with weekends off anyway.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Thanks for clarifying. Had me worried for a second. Wink

Camper;44443 Wrote:
rmagill;44441 Wrote:Camper, does your stance on. gov employees having to work to get paid include holiday, vacation, sick, and/or personal time?

If that's part of the package for when they get hired, I don't see why not.

I've never had a job in my professional career that didn't give me paid time off, so if they want to remain competitive and hire quality people I'd imagine offering paid time off kind of goes with the territory.

Even the military gets 30 days of leave, and unlimited sick if you go to sick call. Most of them work regular Mon to Fri's with weekends off anyway.
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I'm of the opinion that if something is funded by taxation then it should be constrained by budgets and budgetary problems, therefore anyone who works for the government - period - should not be kept off of the table when it comes time to tighten the belt to balance a check book.
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They can suffer right along with the rest of us. No quarter.
I don't suffer from insanity.
I enjoy every minute of it.
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Federal workers and the unions have no collective bargaining rights, and have not received a COLA in almost 3yrs. So I would say they are doing their share.

The issue of federal workforce size and the federal pension system is another issue.
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